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I really don't understand why the US didn't continue their talks with Iran. They were clearly open to joining a non-proliferation treaty at the time. They also
by r14c 1y ago
I really don't understand why the US didn't continue their talks with Iran. They were clearly open to joining a non-proliferation treaty at the time. They also have a religious law against developing nukes in addition to their other tentative agreements and cooperation with IAEA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei%27s_fatwa_against_nuclear_weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Khamenei%27s_fatwa_against...
I don't expect Iran to use any nukes that they develop though. Having nukes puts a country in a special diplomatic class. Using them is almost never beneficial. The status quo risks for nuclear programs is stronger sovereignty, which would drastically shift the regional balance of power and possibly tip the scales on a broad international level.
- IAmGraydon 1y agoYou are assuming they’re rational actors, and extremist religious ideologies are by their very nature irrational.
- all_factz 1y agoIran has shown itself a rational actor time and time again by not escalating against continued provocation by Israel and the US, knowing that to do so would be to enter a conflict it can’t win. That’s not the behavior of an irrational actor who’s willing to fight whatever the cost, even total annihilation (which would be what happened if Iran nuked the US/Israel). They may be religious fanatics, but they’re not idiots.
- margalabargala 1y agoIran funded Hamas who did October 7th. That is the original escalation that kicked all this off. The region was (relatively) quiet until then.
- all_factz 1y agoOctober 7th was a reaction to Trump’s “Abraham Accords” which benefitted Sunni countries at the expense of Iran.
- margalabargala 1y agoAnd also a gigantic, gigantic escalation. "You made a deal that disadvantages us so we're going to rape and murder a bunch of teenagers and kidnap people."
- all_factz 1y agoIt’s not a justification, obviously. But it is a (partial) explanation. Israel wanted to keep sweeping the Palestinian issue under the rug, and Hamas and its sponsors were not going to allow that.
- margalabargala 1y agoYou claimed that Iran "time and again does not escalate against provocations by the US and Israel". Sure, it's an explanation. Everything shitty Israel or Hamas has done since 1950 has an "explanation" of "that other group did something to me".
- FergusArgyll 1y agoIran FM saying no to negotiations on Friday was insane https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-foreign-minister-says-no-104937990.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/irans-foreign-minister-says-no-10...
- mdni007 1y agoExactly, they should be rational just like our secular politicians. "As a Christian growing up in Sunday school, I was taught from the Bible, ‘Those who bless Israel will be blessed, and those who curse Israel will be cursed.’ And from my perspective, I’d rather be on the blessing side of things.” - Ted Cruz, a U.S. senator "There is a reason the first time I shook Netanyahu's hand, I didn't wash it until I could touch the heads of my children." - Randy Fine, a U.S. congressman And of course, there's the President of the United States who's known to be completely rational.
- mensetmanusman 1y agoI think Iran’s mercenaries eventually blew up the entire diplomatic strategy. It turns out they should have stop funding entities that shoot missiles at population centers so often. It was a reckless strategy that failed.
- throwaway_dang 1y agoBecause the the nuke thing is a ruse; Iran's economic relationship with China is the problem for the U.S. which wants global hegemony.