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Worse, is that this was done at the behest of Israel. Israel is America’s shittiest ally in the region where the relationship is exclusively one-sided. There ar
by austin-cheney 1y ago
Worse, is that this was done at the behest of Israel. Israel is America’s shittiest ally in the region where the relationship is exclusively one-sided. There are good reasons why, despite all the lies and bullshit from America politicians, America has not executed military actions at their behest before now.
- dkjaudyeqooe 1y agoThis is probably the worst thing about Trump, he's let Bibi lead him around like a dog on a leash. Any other president would be infuriated with Bibi's actions, because they would know he's cornering the US. But he knew Trump was a pushover.
- I-M-S 1y agoI guess any other president doesn't include Trump's direct predecessor, under whose watch Gaza was allowed to happen.
- 0dayz 1y agoAllow Gaza to happen? You mean Biden approved of Oct 7?
- bravesoul2 1y agoNo the "self defence" that happened in response to that. 1000s of tonnes of bombs shipped to kill civilians and enact genocide.
- 0dayz 1y agoSelf defense? Afaik it was a war that now is a genocidal war.
- bravesoul2 1y agoAir quotes because that's how Israel propogandizes it.
- ekam 1y agoHe means the genocide and forced starvation of over a hundred thousand innocent Palestinians
- 0dayz 1y agoBiden was not in office when the war went from some genuine cause to full blown they can do whatever they want.
- dkjaudyeqooe 1y agoA non sequitur followed by a claim that Biden is responsible for Israel's security on the ground against Hamas. Well Israel's security forces were out to lunch on that score, given how Hamas literately walked all over them, so I can see how you might think that. But don't let me get in your way while you try to divert attention away from Trump's current recklessness.
- hajile 1y agoIsrael ran out of bombs. Biden sent them more so the destruction and killing could continue. Just one phone call from Biden saying STOP would have halted everything, but Biden is a self-admitted Zionist who never really wanted to stop things.
- Ar-Curunir 1y agoDid we live through the same Biden presidency?
- tdeck 1y agoA lot of folks were at brunch.
- mensetmanusman 1y agoWeekend at Biden’s was just ice cream.
- jordanb 1y ago“Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.” — John Sheehan, S.J.
- nullhole 1y ago> “Every time anyone says that Israel is our only friend in the Middle East, I can’t help but think that before Israel, we had no enemies in the Middle East.” — John Sheehan, S.J. Before Israel? Like before 1947? When half the place was under British rule and the oil industry was a fraction of what it was today? That's about as useful as saying that before the atomic bomb, we had no enemies in the Middle East. What a dishonest way to make such an inflammatory accusation.
- vFunct 1y agoYes. Before Israel, when America had no enemies in the mideast. Thanks for confirming.
- CapricornNoble 1y agoYes, before 1947, back when the Secretary of State as well as the Joint Chiefs of Staff, all seasoned professionals who had just won WW2, strongly advised AGAINST supporting Zionism in Palestine. They correctly asserted that demands from the Zionists would never end, and that it would sour the US's otherwise solid relations with the entire Arab region. https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1946v07/d541 https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1946v07/d5... https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1946v07/d489 https://history.state.gov/historicaldocuments/frus1946v07/d4...
- mensetmanusman 1y agoIt wasn’t, the political pressure from Iran’s neighbors was higher, and it didn’t help that the EU was pissed at Iran for helping kill Ukraine.
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- 0dayz 1y agoCan we criticize Israel without obvious conspiracy bait.
- greenavocado 1y agohttps://x.com/IvanIvanovichC2/status/1912180077548179478 https://x.com/IvanIvanovichC2/status/1912180077548179478 https://christiansfortruth.com/the-road-to-dealey-plaza-how-jfks-refusal-to-allow-israel-nuclear-weapons-sealed-his-death-warrant/ https://christiansfortruth.com/the-road-to-dealey-plaza-how-...
- throwaway290 1y ago> On April 26, Ben-Gurion sent a letter to Kennedy warning about the forthcoming destruction of Israel due to the Treaty of Federation signed by Egypt, Syria and Iraq on April 17. then later > The most ominous part of Ben-Gurion’s letter was when he wrote: “Mr. President, my people have the right to exist – both in Israel and wherever they may live, and this existence is in danger.” This article is funny. This is set in 1960. 10 years after Israel was attacked by an Arab coalition and 10 years before Israel was attacked AGAIN by guess who, an Arab coalition. What do you expect, that president of a country lets it to be destroyed to later tell people like you "see, told ya"? Time doesn't allow you to go back. You can hate war but in this case it just seems like if they had no nukes they would be destroyed long ago by neighboring countries. About 4chan link, Techchrunch basically sums it up: > One 4chan janitor who spoke to TechCrunch on the condition of anonymity said they are “confident” the leaked data and screenshots are “all real”. Yeah totally real. because 4chan was hacked by a competitor we can be sure there was nothing planted in the dump. And because the guy who posted the screenshot limits replies we can be sure it is doubly real. Thinking how much antisemitism there was on 4chan I can only shrug.
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- Beefin 1y agoyou have no idea what you're talking about - every single country that experiences domestic terrorism relies on israeli intelligence for counter terrorism. almost all of europe, us, much of the middle east all have very active intelligence partnerships. if you think it's one-sided you're either severely misinformed or bigoted.
- austin-cheney 1y agoObviously I must be an anti-Semite if I don’t 150% support the politics of Israel and their brutality in the West Bank. In reality though, I have completed 5 CENTCOM US military deployments. There are few people on HN more qualified to speak to the nature of US alliances in the region.
- idiotsecant 1y agoIsrael is a terrorist state. I don't know how else you can call it. They have a state policy of terrorizing their neighbors in order to get them to leave their land and have for decades. The fact that they also help spy on our citizens for our government should not be a reason to support them.