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Diplomacy was working until the US unilaterally withdrew from the treaty in 2018. There are solutions other than war to nonproliferation.
by bagels 1y ago
Diplomacy was working until the US unilaterally withdrew from the treaty in 2018.
There are solutions other than war to nonproliferation.
- lwansbrough 1y agoSo we're blaming the US because Iran chose to pursue weapons-grade enrichment. Have you considered that Iran could simply choose not to do that, like every other paranuclear state? Ultimately the choice of whether or not Iran gets to build a nuclear bomb is not up to them, and they're finding that out now.
- bagels 1y agoI am blaming Trump. He did this. He withdrew from the treaty which led directly to this action today.
- lwansbrough 1y agoWhat happened between Trump withdrawing from the treaty and Fordo getting bombed? I feel like you're perhaps missing a few critical steps on the Iranian side.
- bagels 1y agoTrump signaled that diplomacy wasn't going to solve the tension, and they weren't getting what they wanted to in exchange for not building weapons. Of course they were going to build them. Why would they not, whether for offense or defense?
- lwansbrough 1y agoWhy would they not build nuclear weapons? I guess they don’t have to wonder anymore. It’s not like they weren’t warned. You can always stop building nuclear weapons at any time and change course. But they chose not to, and suffered the consequences. Whose fault is that?
- codedokode 1y agoPlease remind why France, England, Israel are allowed to have weapons and Iran is not?
- throwawaythekey 1y ago- Trump murdered top a top Iranian general (Soleimani) - Israel bombed an Iranian Embassy - Iran counterstruck Israel but relatively restrained and with warning - Israel bombed several high ranking Iranians, especially those involved with the nuclear program - Iran counterstruck Israel. None of it had that much to do with America.
- trhway 1y agoIran regime has been a great destabilizer and war monger. So, may be their nuke development just provided an opening for the regime change operation. The Middle East will be much more peaceful once Iran is de-fanged. This even may help Europe because Iran was helping Russia in the war.
- bagels 1y agoIt didn't work in Iraq. Why would it work here?
- corimaith 1y agoIraq today is alot less of headache to it's neighbours than if Saddam Hussein was still here. So clearly it did work on the long term.
- trhway 1y agono boots on the ground and more moderate goals. The current state of Iraq - severely corrupt moderately religious not threatening anybody kleptocracy would be a success here. Not threatening is the key - Iran has been behind sectarian violence in Iraq, behind Hamas, Hezbollah and Houthis, helping Assad, ... one can see that Iran's regime should have already been taken out yesterday just in order to advance peace in the Middle East. Note - no boots on the ground wouldn't be a big limitation because in case of say ethnic violence, with Azerbaijani and Persian being the largest groups, or even just great social chaos, Turkey and Azerbaijan, are, as far as i understand, ready to bring their armies into the Iran's Azerbaijani populated provinces, which would leave Persians, who are many don't like that "Arab's Islam", in their provinces to their own devices, probably even restoring the monarchy with the Shah's son, which again would be a good outcome here.
- bagels 1y agoNo boots on the ground... yet. We don't know how Iran reacts next. To their leadership, this is a pretty serious existential threat.
- ethagnawl 1y agoStuxnext was quite an achievement, too -- aside from it escaping containment and all. Kudos to ... whoever it was that pulled that off.