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OSX on the other hand isn't a jail. You can install whatever you want. It's a computer. As long as your credit card is on file with apple. You might be surpri

by moe 14y ago

OSX on the other hand isn't a jail. You can install whatever you want. It's a computer. As long as your credit card is on file with apple. You might be surprised what happens to 'your' computer after an attempted purchase fails for any reason. You won't be able to update or install any software from the app-store anymore. This includes updates for and re-downloads of apps that you have 'bought'.

jonhohle 14y ago
Downloading a previously purchased digital asset requires confirmation of financial responsibility‽ Who would have thought!
- hellerbarde 14y ago
  I don't understand. He already bought it. Why should he have to have a valid credit card again? Aren't purchases locked to an account with a password and such?
bpatrianakos 14y ago
Totally false. The app store is for people who want simplicity. It's for the consumer market. Those people who infect their computers with viruses constantly because they think that sketchy looking banner telling them they've won todays lottery isn't sketchy at all and click it. There's nothing stopping me from downloading and installing any app I want from whatever source I want on my Mac. Everyone all of the sudden thinks that the Mac App Store is the final nail in the iOSification coffin but it isn't. It's just a good idea for people totally unlike us and those people actually get a far better experience than any "free" system because of it. But again, no one is forced to go through the app store to download applications. Honestly, I haven't even set Mountain Lion to let me download anything unrestricted. I set it to the medium setting where it'll give me a warning before installing non-app store apps and I like it that way. I like being reminded that what I'm about to install hasn't been vetted by Apple. That's fine with me. I just control+click it and run it the first time and I'm never bothered again. Sure, I could set it so I get no hassles but I like the feature. When it comes down to it, I know what I'm getting into. I'm not so completely risk averse that I refuse to use something because some worst case scenario or edge case might happen at some point down the road to me.
evilduck 14y ago
That argument only applies to the Mac App Store, which is still getting mixed responses from users and devs.
delllapssuck 14y ago
Unbelievable. I've seen people struggling with Macs based on this sort of thing. The only Mac I own is pre-OSX, from the the good ole days. I'm aware the hoop jumping has worsened, but this is ridiculous. I like freedom. I never used my old Mac for internet and I would not want to use a newer Mac (or iPad or iPhone) for that either. For internet related usage I can get the same performance, and in fact much better performance, as anyone would from an Apple computer using BSD/Linux/Plan9. If I want to do something that is heavily graphics intensive and requires a Mac (e.g. audio/video production), then I just switch to the Mac. I consider that "special purpose" computing. But these days Apple is really aiming for the "general purpose" computer users, not just creative professionals. No way would I agree to jump through hoops to do general purpose computing (email, web, multimedia playback, etc.). The old Macs were terribly slow and clumsy for agile internet usage and the new ones are no different. And now you have all these ridiculous anticompetitive hoops to jump through... just to run software! Nothing beats freedom and flexibility. It's funny because those sound like Steve Jobs/aging hippie-type "ideals" (or "values", right Mr Cook?). But that old Apple, the one that told us to "Think different" and made interesting computers for creative professionals, seems long gone. And it all started with a silly little MP3 player. They ditched Motorola for Intel and now they sue their Asian suppliers in fear of competition. Competition for the general purpose computer user who just wants a computer that works. The one who shops on price. Sad. Apple is the antithesis of creativity. They try to commoditise and control programmers, they try to prevent people from learning about programming and tinkering and they keep trying to pwn your music collection. Why the f- can't someone just have a drive full of sound files without Apple trying to assert control over it? Apple will soon be shifting everything over to ARM. This is the future. But I think the creative people will already be building their own ARM computers by then. Screw Apple. They've lost the plot.

by moe 14y ago

jonhohle 14y ago

Downloading a previously purchased digital asset requires confirmation of financial responsibility‽ Who would have thought!

hellerbarde 14y ago
I don't understand. He already bought it. Why should he have to have a valid credit card again? Aren't purchases locked to an account with a password and such?

bpatrianakos 14y ago

Totally false. The app store is for people who want simplicity. It's for the consumer market. Those people who infect their computers with viruses constantly because they think that sketchy looking banner telling them they've won todays lottery isn't sketchy at all and click it. There's nothing stopping me from downloading and installing any app I want from whatever source I want on my Mac. Everyone all of the sudden thinks that the Mac App Store is the final nail in the iOSification coffin but it isn't. It's just a good idea for people totally unlike us and those people actually get a far better experience than any "free" system because of it. But again, no one is forced to go through the app store to download applications. Honestly, I haven't even set Mountain Lion to let me download anything unrestricted. I set it to the medium setting where it'll give me a warning before installing non-app store apps and I like it that way. I like being reminded that what I'm about to install hasn't been vetted by Apple. That's fine with me. I just control+click it and run it the first time and I'm never bothered again. Sure, I could set it so I get no hassles but I like the feature. When it comes down to it, I know what I'm getting into. I'm not so completely risk averse that I refuse to use something because some worst case scenario or edge case might happen at some point down the road to me.

evilduck 14y ago

That argument only applies to the Mac App Store, which is still getting mixed responses from users and devs.

delllapssuck 14y ago

Unbelievable. I've seen people struggling with Macs based on this sort of thing. The only Mac I own is pre-OSX, from the the good ole days. I'm aware the hoop jumping has worsened, but this is ridiculous. I like freedom. I never used my old Mac for internet and I would not want to use a newer Mac (or iPad or iPhone) for that either. For internet related usage I can get the same performance, and in fact much better performance, as anyone would from an Apple computer using BSD/Linux/Plan9. If I want to do something that is heavily graphics intensive and requires a Mac (e.g. audio/video production), then I just switch to the Mac. I consider that "special purpose" computing. But these days Apple is really aiming for the "general purpose" computer users, not just creative professionals. No way would I agree to jump through hoops to do general purpose computing (email, web, multimedia playback, etc.). The old Macs were terribly slow and clumsy for agile internet usage and the new ones are no different. And now you have all these ridiculous anticompetitive hoops to jump through... just to run software! Nothing beats freedom and flexibility. It's funny because those sound like Steve Jobs/aging hippie-type "ideals" (or "values", right Mr Cook?). But that old Apple, the one that told us to "Think different" and made interesting computers for creative professionals, seems long gone. And it all started with a silly little MP3 player. They ditched Motorola for Intel and now they sue their Asian suppliers in fear of competition. Competition for the general purpose computer user who just wants a computer that works. The one who shops on price. Sad. Apple is the antithesis of creativity. They try to commoditise and control programmers, they try to prevent people from learning about programming and tinkering and they keep trying to pwn your music collection. Why the f- can't someone just have a drive full of sound files without Apple trying to assert control over it? Apple will soon be shifting everything over to ARM. This is the future. But I think the creative people will already be building their own ARM computers by then. Screw Apple. They've lost the plot.