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yes, but... if youre manufacturing plant with expected electricity usage, then build solar plant next / close to your manufacturing facility. or municipality or

yes, but... if youre manufacturing plant with expected electricity usage, then build solar plant next / close to your manufacturing facility. or municipality or water treatment plant or .... build solar plant because you need electricity, do not build solar plant because you need money. same as with agriculture, it is nonprofit endevour, you are not getting rich from corn, you are rich from corn sirup, from tortillas... ( unless you are bill gates and divert tax breaks / subsidies away from agriculture and put them into your wallet instead, worsening situation forr every person inside of US borders ) solo solar plant are very weird edge case which was viable only because people with 20 years of schooling could not understand why is solar important, (after multiple oil crises ) so govs invested in this nonsense to speed up adoption. not because it was sensical thing. to open eyes to people that solar is working. build solar as part of your corps supply chain. dollars are not goal, dollars are means for better life, stronger communities, better republic. "Failure of the state to prioritize energy sufficiency over hypothetical mineral rights. " where is battery ? so no this is not about energy self sufficiency, this is just pure only money endeavor. soft power here is not sane. also with battery you can get order of magnitude higher profit AND higher UTILITY, so there are multiple bad things in that endeavor.

Calwestjobs 1y ago
or let me say it differently, my house needs as much energy to make it luxuriously comfortable in coldest of days, as my neighbors house loses just thru chimney, when there is no fire burning... ( he needs 50times more energy then me, but he is not comfortable, he wakes up into cold house ) there is insanely huge gap in peoples perception of reality, schooling failed many. less energy i need, less energy we need to capture (new word for generate), transmit, curtail, store,.... my heat pump is smaller then heat pump in costcos meat refrigerator, so smaller device is easier, quicker to manufacture, less people, cars , cubic feet to store, transport,.... and all this effect from on freaking house. or hurricane, tornado, flood disables grid in my area, my house will stay livable for 3 days until i have to put on sweater... or today, there is heat wave predicted, at least 10 people will die today,... why?
- Spivak 1y ago
  I'm so confused by the chimney thing, a nice wood stove which I assume your neighbor is using because it's not practical or possible to heat your house with a fireplace can get you 70-80% efficiency and run overnight. They burn clean enough that I can't tell when my neighbors (presumably always) use theirs and they're directly across the street. The whole neighborhood knows when I use my fireplace. My neighbors who heat their houses with wood (in an area where you absolutely don't have to—we have gas and electric at extremely reasonable prices), both have the nice high efficiency stoves to take advantage of the Biden tax credit and it seems to work just fine for them. Cords of wood around here aren't free but damn close to it. Source: I'm considering a wood stove for my garage for working in the winter and they both talked my ear off about their experiences.
  - Calwestjobs 1y ago
    that greyish blue haze around mountains is smog not fog. sometimes it is NOx from trees but most of times is from stoves "they both talked my ear off about their experiences." stockholm syndrome . so they talked how good their stoves are. or they talked about how bad their houses are that they need to spend any amount of time on stove, cleaning, dust, moving wood,... if you have bad "circumstances" then any betterment in that circumstances is welcomed. but you can change circumstances altogether and not have to improve on lessening of abuse. you can live without abuse. you burn to add energy into your house. better built house loses less energy so you need to add less energy. so you need less wood. if im to put two logs into "stove", my house is 120 f in half an hour. if i had stove. U/R value of materials also someone will inhale your smoke, 100% all the time. their smoke. everyone smokes everyones smoke. smoke does not go upwards towards mars. it goes little bit up then it will fall to ground and lurks 3-5 feet about ground and you inhale it. and im not even talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology)
jay_kyburz 1y ago
The same goes for household solar. You don't put it on the roof because you think you'll make money from feed in tariffs, you do it to reduce your electricity bill. People here in Australia expect feed in tariff to drop to nothing in the next few years, but electric prices are still climbing. Our new government has promised battery subsidies as well, so I expect batteries to take off. There is a lot of money to be saved by time shifting all that sun that is wasted during the day until the evening when you get home.

Calwestjobs 1y ago

or let me say it differently, my house needs as much energy to make it luxuriously comfortable in coldest of days, as my neighbors house loses just thru chimney, when there is no fire burning... ( he needs 50times more energy then me, but he is not comfortable, he wakes up into cold house ) there is insanely huge gap in peoples perception of reality, schooling failed many. less energy i need, less energy we need to capture (new word for generate), transmit, curtail, store,.... my heat pump is smaller then heat pump in costcos meat refrigerator, so smaller device is easier, quicker to manufacture, less people, cars , cubic feet to store, transport,.... and all this effect from on freaking house. or hurricane, tornado, flood disables grid in my area, my house will stay livable for 3 days until i have to put on sweater... or today, there is heat wave predicted, at least 10 people will die today,... why?

Spivak 1y ago
I'm so confused by the chimney thing, a nice wood stove which I assume your neighbor is using because it's not practical or possible to heat your house with a fireplace can get you 70-80% efficiency and run overnight. They burn clean enough that I can't tell when my neighbors (presumably always) use theirs and they're directly across the street. The whole neighborhood knows when I use my fireplace. My neighbors who heat their houses with wood (in an area where you absolutely don't have to—we have gas and electric at extremely reasonable prices), both have the nice high efficiency stoves to take advantage of the Biden tax credit and it seems to work just fine for them. Cords of wood around here aren't free but damn close to it. Source: I'm considering a wood stove for my garage for working in the winter and they both talked my ear off about their experiences.
- Calwestjobs 1y ago
  that greyish blue haze around mountains is smog not fog. sometimes it is NOx from trees but most of times is from stoves "they both talked my ear off about their experiences." stockholm syndrome . so they talked how good their stoves are. or they talked about how bad their houses are that they need to spend any amount of time on stove, cleaning, dust, moving wood,... if you have bad "circumstances" then any betterment in that circumstances is welcomed. but you can change circumstances altogether and not have to improve on lessening of abuse. you can live without abuse. you burn to add energy into your house. better built house loses less energy so you need to add less energy. so you need less wood. if im to put two logs into "stove", my house is 120 f in half an hour. if i had stove. U/R value of materials also someone will inhale your smoke, 100% all the time. their smoke. everyone smokes everyones smoke. smoke does not go upwards towards mars. it goes little bit up then it will fall to ground and lurks 3-5 feet about ground and you inhale it. and im not even talking about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inversion_(meteorology)

jay_kyburz 1y ago

The same goes for household solar. You don't put it on the roof because you think you'll make money from feed in tariffs, you do it to reduce your electricity bill. People here in Australia expect feed in tariff to drop to nothing in the next few years, but electric prices are still climbing. Our new government has promised battery subsidies as well, so I expect batteries to take off. There is a lot of money to be saved by time shifting all that sun that is wasted during the day until the evening when you get home.