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As is tradition: Israel says jump, the US responds "How high?"

by SkyeCA 1y ago

sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago
Suppose we should congratulate Bibi on his ascendancy to the US presidency.
- cyanydeez 1y ago
  If it were legal, Russia probably would surpass Israel in political influence...legally.
  - foogazi 1y ago
    Russia’s main drone supplier is about to be knocked offline
    - e40 1y ago
      According to a Ukrainian friend Russia is now producing them themselves. They got the design plans from Iran.
    - sealeck 1y ago
      They've got a bunch of other facilities dotted around the place: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/ukraine-war-briefing-russian-drone-factory-attacked-1000km-away-in-tatarstan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/ukraine-war-br...
    - CapricornNoble 1y ago
      Russia's drones are primarily domestic production, not imported. The original Shaheds and their design were imported, but now the Russians are on the Geran-3 version and are cranking them out at the cyclic rate. Ukrainian sources still insist on calling them "Shaheds": https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/4/7515633/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/4/7515633/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/29/russia-iran-drone-cooperation-industry/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/29/russia-iran-...
- chairmansteve 1y ago
  Elon is out, Bibi is in.
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know-how 1y ago
Yea, why don't we let the most destabilizing state sponsor of terrorism obtain a nuke? Surely that's only in Israel's interest... You know, none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't attack Israel on Oct 7. Iran should know. They paid for it. If Iran had a nuke, they are crazy enough to use it by slipping it to their cells. "If someone says they are going to kill you, believe them." Iran: Death to Israel Iran: Death to America Hamas: Death to Israel Hamas: Death to America So, hugs and pallets of cash? ...or you destroy their ability to kill a million of your civilians. If their enrichment wasn't for weapons-development, why was it being done in a hardened under-ground bunker? In 2023, unannounced inspections uncovered uranium particles enriched near weapons-grade. The so-called agreement was toilet paper to the terrorist state.
- sealeck 1y ago
  > Yea, why don't we let the most destabilizing state sponsor of terrorism obtain a nuke? Surely that's only in Israel's interest... Well, the Democrats had a very good plan to deal with this: diplomacy. They agreed a deal where Iran agreed not to build nuclear weapons, and in exchange they removed sanctions on Iran. A win-win scenario for everyone (except Bibi). Trump then - completely inexplicably - decided that he could do better at negotiating a deal, ripped up Obama's one, and then decided to... plunge the Middle East into chaos. > You know, none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't attack Israel on Oct 7. Iran should know. They paid for it. Surely the man who decided it was a good idea to alllow Qatar to give Hamas lots of money is at least partially to blame? [1] Or perhaps the person who decided to advocate to the US government that they should sell weapons to Iran [2] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q... [2]: https://www.ft.com/content/8d75baf6-6756-4d52-a412-bc90bbbde11a https://www.ft.com/content/8d75baf6-6756-4d52-a412-bc90bbbde...
  - busterarm 1y ago
    Nearly all of Iran's neighbors in the region except Jordan and Syria supported our withdrawal from the agreement. The only complaining was done by Iran, European nations and the UN. Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, the UAE, Egypt, etc all supported us.
flyinglizard 1y ago
There are many people around the world who are relived with Iran denied nuclear weapons, not just Israel. There are many countries in the Middle East, some openly hostile to Israel, who are very happy that Iran will not get immunity like North Korea. Israel did most of the dirty work, US just came in to drive the final nail.
- jeremyjh 1y ago
  I would trust the Ayatollah with nukes much further than I would trust Stephen Miller.
  - sealeck 1y ago
    A truly sad indictment of the state of US government...
  - kelnos 1y ago
    My trust with either of them having nukes is so low it's not worth comparing.
  - mhb 1y ago
    Trust him to what? Do what he says he would do with them?
    - deleted 1y ago
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    - samaltmanfried 1y ago
      > Do what he says he would do with them? Like what? Declare a fatwa against them? When you answer, please provide sources for your claims. I'll be eagerly awaiting your response.
      - diogocp 1y ago
        Ali Khamenei: "The situation between America and Iran is this: When you chant 'Death to America!' it is not just a slogan – it is a policy. https://www.memri.org/tv/iran-supreme-leader-ayatollah-ali-khamenei-death-america-not-slogan-policy-west-protests https://www.memri.org/tv/iran-supreme-leader-ayatollah-ali-k...
benreesman 1y ago
Not the situation as it stands. If it ends here its a disaster for Netanyahu. As concerns global stability a single precision strike from an untouchable platform with zero marginal increase in obligations on strained naval assets is basically the best case scenario. If we had dropped a bomb, took a picture in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and gone back to playing chess with peer adversaries in any conflict since the Korean War it would have been the smart move. The United States military is designed to protect global trade and win high intensity conflicts against peer adversaries and be seen preparing for it as a deterrant. It does this job extremely well. It was not designed for assymetrical quagmires with no possible palatable exit strategy. Likud may be willing to fight Iran to the last American, but I'd rather we didn't.
- paxys 1y ago
  Israel is "too big to fail" at this point. Netanyahu knows he can provoke every country in the world and if he ever meets real resistance the US government and military will take over. There's literally no way this cannot end well for him.
  - benreesman 1y ago
    Maybe, but I think that in the cold calculus of geo-realpolitik, TSMC is more important than Israel in a world where WTI is unlikely to ever trade above 150 and will never break 200 [1]. APAC is influential, but not in the same way it was when the entire economy was weeks from collapse without Israel dominating the region. And the Trump Administration understands that we can't defend them both at a cost the public will accept. I think. Even MAGA diehards are like 70% opposed to another quagmire in the Middle East even if Trump endorses like a downticket primary radical. [1] https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/rwtcd.htm https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/rwtcd.htm
bgwalter 1y ago
That may be the perception from the outside due to theater (Trump holding Netanyahu's chair for the cameras etc.), but these plans have existed forever. Here is a plan from the Brookings Institute from 2009: https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7864/j.ctt6wpgvg https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7864/j.ctt6wpgvg "CHAPTER FIVE Leave it to Bibi: Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike"

As is tradition: Israel says jump, the US responds "How high?"

by SkyeCA 1y ago

As is tradition: Israel says jump, the US responds "How high?"

sjsdaiuasgdia 1y ago

Suppose we should congratulate Bibi on his ascendancy to the US presidency.

cyanydeez 1y ago
If it were legal, Russia probably would surpass Israel in political influence...legally.
- foogazi 1y ago
  Russia’s main drone supplier is about to be knocked offline
  - e40 1y ago
    According to a Ukrainian friend Russia is now producing them themselves. They got the design plans from Iran.
  - sealeck 1y ago
    They've got a bunch of other facilities dotted around the place: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/ukraine-war-briefing-russian-drone-factory-attacked-1000km-away-in-tatarstan https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jun/16/ukraine-war-br...
  - CapricornNoble 1y ago
    Russia's drones are primarily domestic production, not imported. The original Shaheds and their design were imported, but now the Russians are on the Geran-3 version and are cranking them out at the cyclic rate. Ukrainian sources still insist on calling them "Shaheds": https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/4/7515633/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2025/06/4/7515633/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/29/russia-iran-drone-cooperation-industry/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/29/russia-iran-...
chairmansteve 1y ago
Elon is out, Bibi is in.

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know-how 1y ago

Yea, why don't we let the most destabilizing state sponsor of terrorism obtain a nuke? Surely that's only in Israel's interest... You know, none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't attack Israel on Oct 7. Iran should know. They paid for it. If Iran had a nuke, they are crazy enough to use it by slipping it to their cells. "If someone says they are going to kill you, believe them." Iran: Death to Israel Iran: Death to America Hamas: Death to Israel Hamas: Death to America So, hugs and pallets of cash? ...or you destroy their ability to kill a million of your civilians. If their enrichment wasn't for weapons-development, why was it being done in a hardened under-ground bunker? In 2023, unannounced inspections uncovered uranium particles enriched near weapons-grade. The so-called agreement was toilet paper to the terrorist state.

sealeck 1y ago
> Yea, why don't we let the most destabilizing state sponsor of terrorism obtain a nuke? Surely that's only in Israel's interest... Well, the Democrats had a very good plan to deal with this: diplomacy. They agreed a deal where Iran agreed not to build nuclear weapons, and in exchange they removed sanctions on Iran. A win-win scenario for everyone (except Bibi). Trump then - completely inexplicably - decided that he could do better at negotiating a deal, ripped up Obama's one, and then decided to... plunge the Middle East into chaos. > You know, none of this would have happened if Hamas didn't attack Israel on Oct 7. Iran should know. They paid for it. Surely the man who decided it was a good idea to alllow Qatar to give Hamas lots of money is at least partially to blame? [1] Or perhaps the person who decided to advocate to the US government that they should sell weapons to Iran [2] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-q... [2]: https://www.ft.com/content/8d75baf6-6756-4d52-a412-bc90bbbde11a https://www.ft.com/content/8d75baf6-6756-4d52-a412-bc90bbbde...
- busterarm 1y ago
  Nearly all of Iran's neighbors in the region except Jordan and Syria supported our withdrawal from the agreement. The only complaining was done by Iran, European nations and the UN. Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, the UAE, Egypt, etc all supported us.

flyinglizard 1y ago

There are many people around the world who are relived with Iran denied nuclear weapons, not just Israel. There are many countries in the Middle East, some openly hostile to Israel, who are very happy that Iran will not get immunity like North Korea. Israel did most of the dirty work, US just came in to drive the final nail.

jeremyjh 1y ago
I would trust the Ayatollah with nukes much further than I would trust Stephen Miller.
- sealeck 1y ago
  A truly sad indictment of the state of US government...
- kelnos 1y ago
  My trust with either of them having nukes is so low it's not worth comparing.
- mhb 1y ago
  Trust him to what? Do what he says he would do with them?
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]
  - samaltmanfried 1y ago
    > Do what he says he would do with them? Like what? Declare a fatwa against them? When you answer, please provide sources for your claims. I'll be eagerly awaiting your response.
    - diogocp 1y ago
      Ali Khamenei: "The situation between America and Iran is this: When you chant 'Death to America!' it is not just a slogan – it is a policy. https://www.memri.org/tv/iran-supreme-leader-ayatollah-ali-khamenei-death-america-not-slogan-policy-west-protests https://www.memri.org/tv/iran-supreme-leader-ayatollah-ali-k...

benreesman 1y ago

Not the situation as it stands. If it ends here its a disaster for Netanyahu. As concerns global stability a single precision strike from an untouchable platform with zero marginal increase in obligations on strained naval assets is basically the best case scenario. If we had dropped a bomb, took a picture in front of a "Mission Accomplished" banner, and gone back to playing chess with peer adversaries in any conflict since the Korean War it would have been the smart move. The United States military is designed to protect global trade and win high intensity conflicts against peer adversaries and be seen preparing for it as a deterrant. It does this job extremely well. It was not designed for assymetrical quagmires with no possible palatable exit strategy. Likud may be willing to fight Iran to the last American, but I'd rather we didn't.

paxys 1y ago
Israel is "too big to fail" at this point. Netanyahu knows he can provoke every country in the world and if he ever meets real resistance the US government and military will take over. There's literally no way this cannot end well for him.
- benreesman 1y ago
  Maybe, but I think that in the cold calculus of geo-realpolitik, TSMC is more important than Israel in a world where WTI is unlikely to ever trade above 150 and will never break 200 [1]. APAC is influential, but not in the same way it was when the entire economy was weeks from collapse without Israel dominating the region. And the Trump Administration understands that we can't defend them both at a cost the public will accept. I think. Even MAGA diehards are like 70% opposed to another quagmire in the Middle East even if Trump endorses like a downticket primary radical. [1] https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/rwtcd.htm https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/rwtcd.htm

bgwalter 1y ago

That may be the perception from the outside due to theater (Trump holding Netanyahu's chair for the cameras etc.), but these plans have existed forever. Here is a plan from the Brookings Institute from 2009: https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7864/j.ctt6wpgvg https://www.jstor.org/stable/10.7864/j.ctt6wpgvg "CHAPTER FIVE Leave it to Bibi: Allowing or Encouraging an Israeli Military Strike"