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It's a shame Firefox on iOS has failed/refused to support third-party content filters [1] since 2019. Just because they can't bring Gecko doesn't mean they shou

It's a shame Firefox on iOS has failed/refused to support third-party content filters [1] since 2019. Just because they can't bring Gecko doesn't mean they shouldn't try to gain mindshare for the Mozilla Firefox brand on one of the biggest platforms, yet they refuse to put in the resources. 1: https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/firefox-ios/issues/5198 https://github.com/mozilla-mobile/firefox-ios/issues/5198

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freeAgent 1y ago
Somewhat ironically, you can install and use the Firefox uBO extension on Orion for iOS. Orion/Kagi figured out how to do it before Firefox/Mozilla.
- eddythompson80 1y ago
  Last I tried Orion was a couple of months ago. I wouldn't really say "figured out" per se. Like I see the vision, I like the vision, but I'm waiting.
  - freeAgent 1y ago
    I mean that they figured out how to support (most) browser extensions on iOS in their browser, unlike Firefox. They haven’t figured everything out, but I do daily drive Orion on iOS. I still prefer Firefox on desktop due to stability (and Orion’s extension advantage in mobile doesn’t extend to desktop).
    - SG- 1y ago
      Not most, they have figured out a few and they don't work very well.
      - jeffhuys 1y ago
        Really all I wanted was uBlock and that works. That being said, after being my daily driver for almost a year, I went back to safari about a month ago with Wipr. 3x speedup and battery efficiency. Unfortunately, it became buggier instead of less buggy :( Still use it on mac tho - vertical tabs are a game-changer.
      - freeAgent 1y ago
        What do you need that doesn’t work?
        graynk 1y ago
        uBlock does not work. I don't know how people check that it works for them, but for me it definitely does not. Neither does e.g. https://getindie.wiki/ https://getindie.wiki/ - redirects don't work and I can't even get to the settings page from the menu (it does open once after install, but afterwards the button that's supposed to open it does nothing) UPD: Somehow installing indie wiki extension second time (without deleting it, just pressing "add to orion" a second time) partially fixed it. Redirects now works, banners are broken, showing "visit $destination$ instead"
- toofy 1y ago
  from what i understand orion is overflowing with bugs. even without the bugs, after everything we’ve been through with crazy shit from closed sourced browser companies, the last thing i’d install would be orion/kagi. lol nuh uh. not a chance i’d trust an ai company with almost the entirety of my online existence—especially when they close off and hide what they’re doing.
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > from what i understand orion is overflowing with bugs I use it as a daily driver on macOS. Not noticing the bugs anymore.
    - trws 1y ago
      I just started giving it a try again about a week ago, and I second this. A year ago it was nearly unusable for any extension outside their preferred list, now it’s largely a pleasant experience.
    - godelski 1y ago
      I use it on iPhone, it has lots of bugs. But it's worth it for the ad blocking
      - Larrikin 1y ago
        Why not just use AdGuard or PiHole?
        godelski 1y ago
        Those are DNS blockers. You're not going to block YouTube ads with those. Plus, I want blocking when I'm outside of my house. I don't always want to run everything through Tailscale and Apple doesn't always make that easy. It'll turn off your VPN quite frequently...
    - hoistbypetard 1y ago
      Do you use Bitwarden with it, by any chance? I daily drove it for quite a while, about mid 2022-late 2023. Poor bitwarden support plus a pile of paper cuts drove me away. When it worked as intended, I liked it, and I'm not opposed to paying for a good browser, but it was too buggy at that time for a subscription to feel like a good deal.
- graynk 1y ago
  except it doesn't work. but you can install it, yes. I want to like Orion but I've seen the same bugs for a year now.
  - Aerbil313 1y ago
    I'm using Orion as my daily driver on iOS mainly because of a Safari bug[1]. It used to be very buggy, had frequent app crashes for no reason at all but nowadays (since a year?) works pretty fine, even the UBO plugin works fine. 1: You can long tap and select "Download Linked File" on any link in Safari, including links that are forbidden by Content Restrictions, such as a news.ycombinator.com link from google search. Ping me if a Safari engineer sees this and fixes it!
    - hedora 1y ago
      I use Orion. I hit some crashes until I told it to autoclose tabs after a few days. I’d rather leave that off, but it’s a minor problem. I run three firefox plugins. They all work correctly.
    - akmann 1y ago
      What is it with said bug, that makes you use another browser because of it? Seems not like a big deal..
    - dylan604 1y ago
      A bug that happens for no reason? Aren’t these typically some sort of memory access violation, or am I just showing my age of what used to be the cause? I know nothing of iOS inner workings, but is illegal memory access still possible where this would be the behavior?
    - 0xCMP 1y ago
      Honestly, I was using Orion as a daily driver for a few months now and it's crazy unreliable in my experience. It also somehow uses more RAM than Chrome/Brave doing the same things, but with lots of tiny incompatibilities. I actually just switched my self back to chrome/brave for what I was using Orion for.
neuroelectron 1y ago
Apple really isn't that important.
rs186 1y ago
People who install Firefox on iOS is likely a very small number. If I were the project manager of Firefox, and with such limited resources and Google's cash going away any day, I would not put in any work either.
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- HexDecOctBin 1y ago
  Sure, in which case they shouldn't have released it at all. A substandard product simply reduces the brand value.
  - rs186 1y ago
    Adblock feature!= Firefox on iOS
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account42 1y ago
On the contrary, caring about their "brand" more than the actual Firefox software effectively describes what is wrong with Mozilla. iOS "Firefox" shouldn't be a thing in the first place - definitely not with such a misleading name.

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freeAgent 1y ago

Somewhat ironically, you can install and use the Firefox uBO extension on Orion for iOS. Orion/Kagi figured out how to do it before Firefox/Mozilla.

eddythompson80 1y ago
Last I tried Orion was a couple of months ago. I wouldn't really say "figured out" per se. Like I see the vision, I like the vision, but I'm waiting.
- freeAgent 1y ago
  I mean that they figured out how to support (most) browser extensions on iOS in their browser, unlike Firefox. They haven’t figured everything out, but I do daily drive Orion on iOS. I still prefer Firefox on desktop due to stability (and Orion’s extension advantage in mobile doesn’t extend to desktop).
  - SG- 1y ago
    Not most, they have figured out a few and they don't work very well.
    - jeffhuys 1y ago
      Really all I wanted was uBlock and that works. That being said, after being my daily driver for almost a year, I went back to safari about a month ago with Wipr. 3x speedup and battery efficiency. Unfortunately, it became buggier instead of less buggy :( Still use it on mac tho - vertical tabs are a game-changer.
    - freeAgent 1y ago
      What do you need that doesn’t work?
      - graynk 1y ago
        uBlock does not work. I don't know how people check that it works for them, but for me it definitely does not. Neither does e.g. https://getindie.wiki/ https://getindie.wiki/ - redirects don't work and I can't even get to the settings page from the menu (it does open once after install, but afterwards the button that's supposed to open it does nothing) UPD: Somehow installing indie wiki extension second time (without deleting it, just pressing "add to orion" a second time) partially fixed it. Redirects now works, banners are broken, showing "visit $destination$ instead"
toofy 1y ago
from what i understand orion is overflowing with bugs. even without the bugs, after everything we’ve been through with crazy shit from closed sourced browser companies, the last thing i’d install would be orion/kagi. lol nuh uh. not a chance i’d trust an ai company with almost the entirety of my online existence—especially when they close off and hide what they’re doing.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > from what i understand orion is overflowing with bugs I use it as a daily driver on macOS. Not noticing the bugs anymore.
  - trws 1y ago
    I just started giving it a try again about a week ago, and I second this. A year ago it was nearly unusable for any extension outside their preferred list, now it’s largely a pleasant experience.
  - godelski 1y ago
    I use it on iPhone, it has lots of bugs. But it's worth it for the ad blocking
    - Larrikin 1y ago
      Why not just use AdGuard or PiHole?
      - godelski 1y ago
        Those are DNS blockers. You're not going to block YouTube ads with those. Plus, I want blocking when I'm outside of my house. I don't always want to run everything through Tailscale and Apple doesn't always make that easy. It'll turn off your VPN quite frequently...
  - hoistbypetard 1y ago
    Do you use Bitwarden with it, by any chance? I daily drove it for quite a while, about mid 2022-late 2023. Poor bitwarden support plus a pile of paper cuts drove me away. When it worked as intended, I liked it, and I'm not opposed to paying for a good browser, but it was too buggy at that time for a subscription to feel like a good deal.
graynk 1y ago
except it doesn't work. but you can install it, yes. I want to like Orion but I've seen the same bugs for a year now.
- Aerbil313 1y ago
  I'm using Orion as my daily driver on iOS mainly because of a Safari bug[1]. It used to be very buggy, had frequent app crashes for no reason at all but nowadays (since a year?) works pretty fine, even the UBO plugin works fine. 1: You can long tap and select "Download Linked File" on any link in Safari, including links that are forbidden by Content Restrictions, such as a news.ycombinator.com link from google search. Ping me if a Safari engineer sees this and fixes it!
  - hedora 1y ago
    I use Orion. I hit some crashes until I told it to autoclose tabs after a few days. I’d rather leave that off, but it’s a minor problem. I run three firefox plugins. They all work correctly.
  - akmann 1y ago
    What is it with said bug, that makes you use another browser because of it? Seems not like a big deal..
  - dylan604 1y ago
    A bug that happens for no reason? Aren’t these typically some sort of memory access violation, or am I just showing my age of what used to be the cause? I know nothing of iOS inner workings, but is illegal memory access still possible where this would be the behavior?
  - 0xCMP 1y ago
    Honestly, I was using Orion as a daily driver for a few months now and it's crazy unreliable in my experience. It also somehow uses more RAM than Chrome/Brave doing the same things, but with lots of tiny incompatibilities. I actually just switched my self back to chrome/brave for what I was using Orion for.

neuroelectron 1y ago

Apple really isn't that important.

rs186 1y ago

People who install Firefox on iOS is likely a very small number. If I were the project manager of Firefox, and with such limited resources and Google's cash going away any day, I would not put in any work either.

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HexDecOctBin 1y ago
Sure, in which case they shouldn't have released it at all. A substandard product simply reduces the brand value.
- rs186 1y ago
  Adblock feature!= Firefox on iOS

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account42 1y ago

On the contrary, caring about their "brand" more than the actual Firefox software effectively describes what is wrong with Mozilla. iOS "Firefox" shouldn't be a thing in the first place - definitely not with such a misleading name.