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> the capital move from Tel Aviv to Jeruselum Israel considers their capital to be Jerusalem. Was there any other country where we just reject the city they co

> the capital move from Tel Aviv to Jeruselum Israel considers their capital to be Jerusalem. Was there any other country where we just reject the city they consider their capital? Like would we tell Germany that we won't recognize Berlin as their capital and would instead tell them we are going to consider Hamburg their capital?

whatshisface 1y ago
Jerusalem is partitioned in two, like Berlin was during the cold war. The US embassy for west Germany (and the capital of west Germany) were in Bonn. Moving the capital of west Germany to Berlin would have been seen as a very aggressive move.
- ImJamal 1y ago
  You are missing a very clear difference. West Germany did not consider Berlin their capital. So I'll ask my question again, have we ever denied the capital of a country is the city of their choice?
Quarrelsome 1y ago
ignoring the fact the move of the capital is controversial move among the groups previous administrations wanted Israel to work with. The delay of the capital move was a tool held over Israel's head by previous US administrations that Donald Trump gave up, seemingly for nothing.
- ImJamal 1y ago
  Have we ever done such a thing to any other country?
  - Quarrelsome 1y ago
    idk but for 24 years US presidents did that and then they didn't. I'm asking why and what I get out of it is that the current US president is maybe more friendly to Israel than previous presidents.
    - ImJamal 1y ago
      I don't know that we get anything out of it, but frankly I think we should respect what countries consider their capital. It is such a ridiculous thing to deny which we haven't done with any other country. Even our adversaries like the Soviet Union and China had their capitals acknowledged. If there was some sort of precedence for not accepting capitals, I wouldn't have a problem, but as far as I can tell Israel is the only exception. I like consistent standards even if it is bad politicaly.
      - Quarrelsome 1y ago
        its not about the thing, its about the negative ramifications. If we ever want peace in the middle east we need a two state solution, to get a two state solution means horse trading and this was a horse we could have traded, instead of giving it up for free. I entirely agree with you in how its logically wrong to deny a capital change to another nation but this isn't about logic, its about politics and diplomacy in a war-torn region to try to fashion an ever lasting peace between two often/mostly/always irrational actors.
        ImJamal 1y ago
        I guess you are more of an optimist than me. If I thought we could get peace sooner just by not recognizing their capital, I would be all for it. I don't think a two state solution is possible, at least in the near to medium future. Changing the capital won't extend the war since, in my view, it will be a hundred years until there is any chance at peace, and even that is probably too short. Nobody killing each other then will care that the capital was changed.

whatshisface 1y ago

Jerusalem is partitioned in two, like Berlin was during the cold war. The US embassy for west Germany (and the capital of west Germany) were in Bonn. Moving the capital of west Germany to Berlin would have been seen as a very aggressive move.

ImJamal 1y ago
You are missing a very clear difference. West Germany did not consider Berlin their capital. So I'll ask my question again, have we ever denied the capital of a country is the city of their choice?

Quarrelsome 1y ago

ignoring the fact the move of the capital is controversial move among the groups previous administrations wanted Israel to work with. The delay of the capital move was a tool held over Israel's head by previous US administrations that Donald Trump gave up, seemingly for nothing.

ImJamal 1y ago
Have we ever done such a thing to any other country?
- Quarrelsome 1y ago
  idk but for 24 years US presidents did that and then they didn't. I'm asking why and what I get out of it is that the current US president is maybe more friendly to Israel than previous presidents.
  - ImJamal 1y ago
    I don't know that we get anything out of it, but frankly I think we should respect what countries consider their capital. It is such a ridiculous thing to deny which we haven't done with any other country. Even our adversaries like the Soviet Union and China had their capitals acknowledged. If there was some sort of precedence for not accepting capitals, I wouldn't have a problem, but as far as I can tell Israel is the only exception. I like consistent standards even if it is bad politicaly.
    - Quarrelsome 1y ago
      its not about the thing, its about the negative ramifications. If we ever want peace in the middle east we need a two state solution, to get a two state solution means horse trading and this was a horse we could have traded, instead of giving it up for free. I entirely agree with you in how its logically wrong to deny a capital change to another nation but this isn't about logic, its about politics and diplomacy in a war-torn region to try to fashion an ever lasting peace between two often/mostly/always irrational actors.
      - ImJamal 1y ago
        I guess you are more of an optimist than me. If I thought we could get peace sooner just by not recognizing their capital, I would be all for it. I don't think a two state solution is possible, at least in the near to medium future. Changing the capital won't extend the war since, in my view, it will be a hundred years until there is any chance at peace, and even that is probably too short. Nobody killing each other then will care that the capital was changed.