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There is a significant community for which these are not insane conspiracy theories, but real concerns. Just take anyone watching Lunduke or from anti-systemd/a

There is a significant community for which these are not insane conspiracy theories, but real concerns. Just take anyone watching Lunduke or from anti-systemd/anti-Red-Hat/anti-woke distributions like OpenMandriva or Devuan and you will find many people welcoming this fork specifically because of that.

em-bee 1y ago
i find the discussions of weigelts political opinions not really interesting. they will probably lead to his eventual downfall, but these discussions hide the real problem: that a significant group of people are unhappy with X11 support going away. Xlibre may just be successful despite weigelts opinions (and maybe even attract some supporters because of them) and the only way for Xorg/wayland to counter the rise of Xlibre is to address the concerns and not to write off Xlibre because of weigelt.
- throwaway7356 1y ago
  No, people flock to Xlibre because of Weigelt's political opinions. They are unhappy because Wayland is developed by "woke" people, thus the need to continue to use X11.
  - OCASMv2 1y ago
    How do know? Did you ask everyone involved for their motivations?
  - jauntywundrkind 1y ago
    My feel is that this is 100% dead on, that the agitators have found their mark to radicalize, anger, and make proper pests of folks who want to be tilting and mad. Politics lead here; anything for their anti-causes.
    - em-bee 1y ago
      well here is the proof to the contrary: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer Summary Replace the X.Org X11 Xserver (xorg-x11-xserver) with the X11Libre (XLibre) Xserver, an actively maintained fork. Disclaimer The Change Owner does NOT share or endorse upstream's political views! Given that those can be found even in the upstream project-wide README.md, the Change Owner feels obliged to make this clarification.
      - throwaway7356 1y ago
        https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-wide/156330/36 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x... Have fun with the Xlibre community. The fact that the proposer has to include such disclaimer also says a lot about the Xlibre upstream community.
        em-bee 1y ago
        rather the fact that someone who rejects the ideology contained in the readme is willing to support that project anyways shows that they neither believe in a future for Xorg nor do they believe that wayland will fix the issues that keeps them from using it. as someone who is firmly in the wayland camp i believe that this indicates significant grief that people who join Xlibre despite its anti DEI stance have with wayland that wayland devs should take note and not just dismiss the entire Xlibre community as a bunch misguided individuals.

em-bee 1y ago

i find the discussions of weigelts political opinions not really interesting. they will probably lead to his eventual downfall, but these discussions hide the real problem: that a significant group of people are unhappy with X11 support going away. Xlibre may just be successful despite weigelts opinions (and maybe even attract some supporters because of them) and the only way for Xorg/wayland to counter the rise of Xlibre is to address the concerns and not to write off Xlibre because of weigelt.

throwaway7356 1y ago
No, people flock to Xlibre because of Weigelt's political opinions. They are unhappy because Wayland is developed by "woke" people, thus the need to continue to use X11.
- OCASMv2 1y ago
  How do know? Did you ask everyone involved for their motivations?
- jauntywundrkind 1y ago
  My feel is that this is 100% dead on, that the agitators have found their mark to radicalize, anger, and make proper pests of folks who want to be tilting and mad. Politics lead here; anything for their anti-causes.
  - em-bee 1y ago
    well here is the proof to the contrary: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer Summary Replace the X.Org X11 Xserver (xorg-x11-xserver) with the X11Libre (XLibre) Xserver, an actively maintained fork. Disclaimer The Change Owner does NOT share or endorse upstream's political views! Given that those can be found even in the upstream project-wide README.md, the Change Owner feels obliged to make this clarification.
    - throwaway7356 1y ago
      https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-wide/156330/36 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x... Have fun with the Xlibre community. The fact that the proposer has to include such disclaimer also says a lot about the Xlibre upstream community.
      - em-bee 1y ago
        rather the fact that someone who rejects the ideology contained in the readme is willing to support that project anyways shows that they neither believe in a future for Xorg nor do they believe that wayland will fix the issues that keeps them from using it. as someone who is firmly in the wayland camp i believe that this indicates significant grief that people who join Xlibre despite its anti DEI stance have with wayland that wayland devs should take note and not just dismiss the entire Xlibre community as a bunch misguided individuals.