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Was hoping this would go by unnoticed. This dude is a hopeless weirdo, who mindlessly refactors for no real reason, and breaks stuff. The insane conspiracy mi

Was hoping this would go by unnoticed. This dude is a hopeless weirdo, who mindlessly refactors for no real reason, and breaks stuff. The insane conspiracy minded anti-big tech aspect is deeply disturbing. Replying to some of the most respectable food hard working nice people on the planet who have carried huge X subsystems forward for decades with love and care with just frothing madness. There aren't words for the scorn this insanity & batshit deserve. This comment and first reply have some solid other discussion. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44303328 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44303328 I frelling love the reg, love me a good rag. It was intensely intensely disappointing to see they carrying so much water for this deeply problematic antisocial troublemaker.

em-bee 1y ago
granted. the interesting question now is, why and how this will affect Xorg. at this point any hope for this to go unnoticed is lost, and how Xorg devs are responding will have a significant influence on how this will all play out.
throwaway7356 1y ago
There is a significant community for which these are not insane conspiracy theories, but real concerns. Just take anyone watching Lunduke or from anti-systemd/anti-Red-Hat/anti-woke distributions like OpenMandriva or Devuan and you will find many people welcoming this fork specifically because of that.
- em-bee 1y ago
  i find the discussions of weigelts political opinions not really interesting. they will probably lead to his eventual downfall, but these discussions hide the real problem: that a significant group of people are unhappy with X11 support going away. Xlibre may just be successful despite weigelts opinions (and maybe even attract some supporters because of them) and the only way for Xorg/wayland to counter the rise of Xlibre is to address the concerns and not to write off Xlibre because of weigelt.
  - throwaway7356 1y ago
    No, people flock to Xlibre because of Weigelt's political opinions. They are unhappy because Wayland is developed by "woke" people, thus the need to continue to use X11.
    - OCASMv2 1y ago
      How do know? Did you ask everyone involved for their motivations?
    - jauntywundrkind 1y ago
      My feel is that this is 100% dead on, that the agitators have found their mark to radicalize, anger, and make proper pests of folks who want to be tilting and mad. Politics lead here; anything for their anti-causes.
      - em-bee 1y ago
        well here is the proof to the contrary: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer Summary Replace the X.Org X11 Xserver (xorg-x11-xserver) with the X11Libre (XLibre) Xserver, an actively maintained fork. Disclaimer The Change Owner does NOT share or endorse upstream's political views! Given that those can be found even in the upstream project-wide README.md, the Change Owner feels obliged to make this clarification.
        throwaway7356 1y ago
        https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-wide/156330/36 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x... Have fun with the Xlibre community. The fact that the proposer has to include such disclaimer also says a lot about the Xlibre upstream community.
        em-bee 1y ago
phendrenad2 1y ago
If anyone's wondering if the above is true, but doesn't want to take the time to click the link and dig into the accusations and truths: It's mostly sophistry, accusing him of vague things that sound worse than they are. I.E. "defending WWII Germany" (which sounds like he's saying Nazis were the good guys, if you don't bother to read his actual posts.)

em-bee 1y ago

granted. the interesting question now is, why and how this will affect Xorg. at this point any hope for this to go unnoticed is lost, and how Xorg devs are responding will have a significant influence on how this will all play out.

throwaway7356 1y ago

There is a significant community for which these are not insane conspiracy theories, but real concerns. Just take anyone watching Lunduke or from anti-systemd/anti-Red-Hat/anti-woke distributions like OpenMandriva or Devuan and you will find many people welcoming this fork specifically because of that.

em-bee 1y ago
i find the discussions of weigelts political opinions not really interesting. they will probably lead to his eventual downfall, but these discussions hide the real problem: that a significant group of people are unhappy with X11 support going away. Xlibre may just be successful despite weigelts opinions (and maybe even attract some supporters because of them) and the only way for Xorg/wayland to counter the rise of Xlibre is to address the concerns and not to write off Xlibre because of weigelt.
- throwaway7356 1y ago
  No, people flock to Xlibre because of Weigelt's political opinions. They are unhappy because Wayland is developed by "woke" people, thus the need to continue to use X11.
  - OCASMv2 1y ago
    How do know? Did you ask everyone involved for their motivations?
  - jauntywundrkind 1y ago
    My feel is that this is 100% dead on, that the agitators have found their mark to radicalize, anger, and make proper pests of folks who want to be tilting and mad. Politics lead here; anything for their anti-causes.
    - em-bee 1y ago
      well here is the proof to the contrary: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/X11Libre#Disclaimer Summary Replace the X.Org X11 Xserver (xorg-x11-xserver) with the X11Libre (XLibre) Xserver, an actively maintained fork. Disclaimer The Change Owner does NOT share or endorse upstream's political views! Given that those can be found even in the upstream project-wide README.md, the Change Owner feels obliged to make this clarification.
      - throwaway7356 1y ago
        https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x11libre-system-wide/156330/36 https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/f43-change-proposal-x... Have fun with the Xlibre community. The fact that the proposer has to include such disclaimer also says a lot about the Xlibre upstream community.
        em-bee 1y ago

phendrenad2 1y ago

If anyone's wondering if the above is true, but doesn't want to take the time to click the link and dig into the accusations and truths: It's mostly sophistry, accusing him of vague things that sound worse than they are. I.E. "defending WWII Germany" (which sounds like he's saying Nazis were the good guys, if you don't bother to read his actual posts.)