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OTOH, beware letting yourself be intimidated by scary looking but unenforcable clauses that are all over contracts. In doubt, spend a bit of money on a lawyer t

OTOH, beware letting yourself be intimidated by scary looking but unenforcable clauses that are all over contracts. In doubt, spend a bit of money on a lawyer to figure out what your real situation is. I know of several cases where lawyers said "don't bother arguing with them about clause X, just sign it and ignore it".

voidfunc 1y ago
This is pretty much the advice every lawyer has given me in the past. The likelihood of it coming up is very low. Sometimes it's good to not be special.
- ghaff 1y ago
  The one time I had to sign a non-compete--because my company was acquired--I just signed it because it was quite specific and I wasn't going to be an exec of a storage company anytime soon. Probably didn't matter much because I left a few months later anyway.
BobbyTables2 1y ago
I suspect our primary school upbringing of “follow the rules” holds a lot of people back. Seems like a lot of successful people in business know exactly how far they can step over the line without suffering serious consequences.
- thfuran 1y ago
  Societies where no one has any regard for rules aren't great either.
  - inetknght 1y ago
    You can't make billions of dollars by following rules...
    - epicureanideal 1y ago
      Society would be better if we could, and we would all benefit. Looking at what the growth trajectories are of countries with high corruption, it’s not great, so our growth is probably still reduced by the corruption or lawlessness that still exists.
      - thfuran 1y ago
        Why do you think having billionaires at all is of benefit to society? Or do you just mean that the people inclined to break rules to accumulate unreasonable wealth would just follow them instead if that worked as well and that is what would benefit society?
        epicureanideal 1y ago
        Because in a well organized society where wealth accumulation is not by corruption, then by definition it would be by creating value, which benefits everyone. The alternative is something like oligarchs that extract wealth because of state granted monopolies, corporatism that strangles competition with anti competitive regulation, etc. The accumulation of wealth is all out of proportion and possibly not even correlated in those cases with the production of actual value.
        thfuran 1y ago
        Wealth is accumulated by capturing value, not by creating it.
        epicureanideal 1y ago
        Technically true, but ideally it would be capturing a portion of value created by them, rather than a portion of value created by others, is my point.
    - deleted 1y ago
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PaulHoule 1y ago
I had a non-compete cause in a contract, I wound up in a dispute over unemployment insurance and the contract came up, the judge told me that the non-complete cause didn't make any sense at all but that's because it was poorly written.
dimitry12 1y ago
What are the keywords for finding a lawyer who can advise on non-competes? Asking because it turned out nearly impossible to find a local lawyer to advise on a dispute couple months ago - with 9 out of 10 telling me they only do divorces or real estate or immigration. I was literally calling one by one from a list based on what I believe were relevant search criteria on State Bar website.
- RhysU 1y ago
  https://g-s-law.com/flat-fee-employment-agreement-review/ https://g-s-law.com/flat-fee-employment-agreement-review/ I had them recommended to me. I have used them and was pleased.
  - dimitry12 1y ago
    Thank you! Not my states but seems spot on and I can extract keywords from there.
- dctoedt 1y ago
  > What are the keywords for finding a lawyer who can advise on non-competes? If you're in California, try the following; they all know their stuff and aren't in supercostly BigLaw firms (although I think most are BigLaw alumni): - Betsy Bayha - https://www.linkedin.com/in/betsy-bayha-560107/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/betsy-bayha-560107/ - George Grellas - used to post here a lot, not so much recently - https://grellas.com/our-team/george-grellas/ https://grellas.com/our-team/george-grellas/ - Sean Hogle - https://www.linkedin.com/in/epiclaw/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/epiclaw/ - Kyle Mitchell - https://kemitchell.com/ https://kemitchell.com/
  - dimitry12 1y ago
    Thank you!

voidfunc 1y ago

This is pretty much the advice every lawyer has given me in the past. The likelihood of it coming up is very low. Sometimes it's good to not be special.

ghaff 1y ago
The one time I had to sign a non-compete--because my company was acquired--I just signed it because it was quite specific and I wasn't going to be an exec of a storage company anytime soon. Probably didn't matter much because I left a few months later anyway.

BobbyTables2 1y ago

I suspect our primary school upbringing of “follow the rules” holds a lot of people back. Seems like a lot of successful people in business know exactly how far they can step over the line without suffering serious consequences.

thfuran 1y ago
Societies where no one has any regard for rules aren't great either.
- inetknght 1y ago
  You can't make billions of dollars by following rules...
  - epicureanideal 1y ago
    Society would be better if we could, and we would all benefit. Looking at what the growth trajectories are of countries with high corruption, it’s not great, so our growth is probably still reduced by the corruption or lawlessness that still exists.
    - thfuran 1y ago
      Why do you think having billionaires at all is of benefit to society? Or do you just mean that the people inclined to break rules to accumulate unreasonable wealth would just follow them instead if that worked as well and that is what would benefit society?
      - epicureanideal 1y ago
        Because in a well organized society where wealth accumulation is not by corruption, then by definition it would be by creating value, which benefits everyone. The alternative is something like oligarchs that extract wealth because of state granted monopolies, corporatism that strangles competition with anti competitive regulation, etc. The accumulation of wealth is all out of proportion and possibly not even correlated in those cases with the production of actual value.
        thfuran 1y ago
        Wealth is accumulated by capturing value, not by creating it.
        epicureanideal 1y ago
        Technically true, but ideally it would be capturing a portion of value created by them, rather than a portion of value created by others, is my point.
  - deleted 1y ago
    [deleted]

PaulHoule 1y ago

I had a non-compete cause in a contract, I wound up in a dispute over unemployment insurance and the contract came up, the judge told me that the non-complete cause didn't make any sense at all but that's because it was poorly written.

dimitry12 1y ago

What are the keywords for finding a lawyer who can advise on non-competes? Asking because it turned out nearly impossible to find a local lawyer to advise on a dispute couple months ago - with 9 out of 10 telling me they only do divorces or real estate or immigration. I was literally calling one by one from a list based on what I believe were relevant search criteria on State Bar website.

RhysU 1y ago
https://g-s-law.com/flat-fee-employment-agreement-review/ https://g-s-law.com/flat-fee-employment-agreement-review/ I had them recommended to me. I have used them and was pleased.
- dimitry12 1y ago
  Thank you! Not my states but seems spot on and I can extract keywords from there.
dctoedt 1y ago
> What are the keywords for finding a lawyer who can advise on non-competes? If you're in California, try the following; they all know their stuff and aren't in supercostly BigLaw firms (although I think most are BigLaw alumni): - Betsy Bayha - https://www.linkedin.com/in/betsy-bayha-560107/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/betsy-bayha-560107/ - George Grellas - used to post here a lot, not so much recently - https://grellas.com/our-team/george-grellas/ https://grellas.com/our-team/george-grellas/ - Sean Hogle - https://www.linkedin.com/in/epiclaw/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/epiclaw/ - Kyle Mitchell - https://kemitchell.com/ https://kemitchell.com/
- dimitry12 1y ago
  Thank you!