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You not reading that commentary and it not taking place are two very different things! Plenty of folks expressed constitutionality concerns for several types of

You not reading that commentary and it not taking place are two very different things! Plenty of folks expressed constitutionality concerns for several types of actions that the Biden admin took. However, you may find that the enacted sanctions hold up significantly better under meaningful scrutiny than Trump cutting off email for one person investigating the war crimes and evidence of genocide in Gaza at the hands of our proxy state in the ME.

whatshisface 1y ago
Israel is not a proxy state, they self-determine oftentimes against what their allies have wanted them to do.
- boston_clone 1y ago
  for the sake of understanding your position, could you provide some examples? to me it doesn’t seem clear that israeli foreign policy is far removed from US foreign policy or even in contention. The way we vote at the UNSC proves our support for some of the most grotesque of actions - deliberately killing infants and children. Their recent preemptive strike on Iran is, imo, further evidence of that proxy status.
  - kayodelycaon 1y ago
    Israel is very much not in the control of the US. The US didn’t want Gaza razed to the ground. The US didn’t want to start another regional war. We were try to get out if this mess. Our population voted to get out of military action in the Middle East. Unfortunately for the US, we’re stuck with what Israel decides to do. A lot of Americans are in favor of supporting Israel for one reason or another. If Irsael is somehow controlling the United States via lobbying or whatever, that kind of invalidates the whole client state idea. US is the most powerful country in the world but that doesn’t mean we directly control our allies as client states.
    - boston_clone 1y ago
      What I mean by proxy state is that Israel is effectively treated as an extension of the US. No other country enjoys such unconstitutionally explicit protection with laws on the books for the majority of states [0]. A Florida congressperson wore their IDF uniform to the US capitol, acting in their official capacity [1]. Virtually unconditional support is provided on the global stage, and clearly, we are comfortable with starting another regional war. But saying we're "stuck with what Israel decides to do" sounds a bit fatalistic, no? 0. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/31/texas-boycott-israel-lawsuit/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/31/texas-boycott-israel... 1. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israeli-military-uniform-capitol-hill/ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israel...
    - Hikikomori 1y ago
      How has your leadership tried to get out of this mess? Biden at best told them to not use block sized bombs as it would look too bad. Trump is even worse. Congress is full of war Hawks and genocide supporters.
  - NewJazz 1y ago
    Well, Biden and Netanyahu famously did not get along by any means.
surge 1y ago
That commentary was far less prevalent and met a lot of resistance from the same people here. Few people imagine something like a Department of Mis/Disinformation not being such a good thing if its their person in charge and don't imagine a situation where someone else takes over later on something like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict where there's a schism within parties about what is "misinformation". Instead they'll cheer lead it and downvote or debate detractors and accuse them of being an otherside shill because its immediately good for them. They don't take an adversarial view of how can this be abused, and if not by whose in power now, who maybe 5-10-20 years from now.
- boston_clone 1y ago
  My point is that those conversations were happening in earnest, irrespective of the GPs perception or lack thereof. Additionally, the element of scrutiny I described would still be interesting to explore with the particular EOs referenced by the GP. Here’s an example article from Reuters that details the potential national security implications with regard to Nvidia GPUs, novel AI technology, and military advancement. https://www.reuters.com/technology/biden-cut-china-off-more-nvidia-chips-expand-curbs-more-countries-2023-10-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/biden-cut-china-off-more-... Fear-mongering aside, that’s much more digestible reason than muzzling someone rightfully investigating war crimes commanded by the leaders of our proxy state.
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whatshisface 1y ago

Israel is not a proxy state, they self-determine oftentimes against what their allies have wanted them to do.

boston_clone 1y ago
for the sake of understanding your position, could you provide some examples? to me it doesn’t seem clear that israeli foreign policy is far removed from US foreign policy or even in contention. The way we vote at the UNSC proves our support for some of the most grotesque of actions - deliberately killing infants and children. Their recent preemptive strike on Iran is, imo, further evidence of that proxy status.
- kayodelycaon 1y ago
  Israel is very much not in the control of the US. The US didn’t want Gaza razed to the ground. The US didn’t want to start another regional war. We were try to get out if this mess. Our population voted to get out of military action in the Middle East. Unfortunately for the US, we’re stuck with what Israel decides to do. A lot of Americans are in favor of supporting Israel for one reason or another. If Irsael is somehow controlling the United States via lobbying or whatever, that kind of invalidates the whole client state idea. US is the most powerful country in the world but that doesn’t mean we directly control our allies as client states.
  - boston_clone 1y ago
    What I mean by proxy state is that Israel is effectively treated as an extension of the US. No other country enjoys such unconstitutionally explicit protection with laws on the books for the majority of states [0]. A Florida congressperson wore their IDF uniform to the US capitol, acting in their official capacity [1]. Virtually unconditional support is provided on the global stage, and clearly, we are comfortable with starting another regional war. But saying we're "stuck with what Israel decides to do" sounds a bit fatalistic, no? 0. https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/31/texas-boycott-israel-lawsuit/ https://www.texastribune.org/2022/01/31/texas-boycott-israel... 1. https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israeli-military-uniform-capitol-hill/ https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4254384-brian-mast-israel...
  - Hikikomori 1y ago
    How has your leadership tried to get out of this mess? Biden at best told them to not use block sized bombs as it would look too bad. Trump is even worse. Congress is full of war Hawks and genocide supporters.
- NewJazz 1y ago
  Well, Biden and Netanyahu famously did not get along by any means.

surge 1y ago

That commentary was far less prevalent and met a lot of resistance from the same people here. Few people imagine something like a Department of Mis/Disinformation not being such a good thing if its their person in charge and don't imagine a situation where someone else takes over later on something like the Israeli/Palestinian conflict where there's a schism within parties about what is "misinformation". Instead they'll cheer lead it and downvote or debate detractors and accuse them of being an otherside shill because its immediately good for them. They don't take an adversarial view of how can this be abused, and if not by whose in power now, who maybe 5-10-20 years from now.

boston_clone 1y ago
My point is that those conversations were happening in earnest, irrespective of the GPs perception or lack thereof. Additionally, the element of scrutiny I described would still be interesting to explore with the particular EOs referenced by the GP. Here’s an example article from Reuters that details the potential national security implications with regard to Nvidia GPUs, novel AI technology, and military advancement. https://www.reuters.com/technology/biden-cut-china-off-more-nvidia-chips-expand-curbs-more-countries-2023-10-17/ https://www.reuters.com/technology/biden-cut-china-off-more-... Fear-mongering aside, that’s much more digestible reason than muzzling someone rightfully investigating war crimes commanded by the leaders of our proxy state.
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