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this has been marked as a duplicate before, but it's not. other articles are talking about the Xlibre project it's potential, etc. this article talks about the

by em-bee 1y ago

this has been marked as a duplicate before, but it's not. other articles are talking about the Xlibre project it's potential, etc. this article talks about the effect of the fork on Xorg itself. which is a very different topic, and one that is worth talking about. for example i remember the fork of GCC and how it affected its development processes. unlike GCC i doubt that Xlibre will be merged back, but it has an influence on Xorg nonetheless. what are your thoughts?

pvg 1y ago
Much of this article is about the same drama which is dupey by HN dupes algebra. Maybe it's worth talking about the effects when such effects occur meaningfully.
- em-bee 1y ago
  ok, i suppose it is to early to tell whether the current flurry of activity on Xorg is just temporary or whether the effect will last. unlike GCC, X11 is on the way to obsolescence. and so one question is if there is even a point to continued development. but i also have the sense that Xorg devs would want to prevent Xlibre from growing. and the only way to counteract that is increased activity to show that Xorg is still under active maintenance, because the calls to replace Xorg with Xlibre are already coming, not just from those involved in Xibre but from others who are unaware of the drama and just see that Xlibre is actively maintained while Xorg isn't anymore (in their eyes).
  - bitwize 1y ago
    It's not the only way to counteract that. You can do what the Alpine devs have done: make it a code-of-conduct violation to adopt Xlibre.
    - em-bee 1y ago
      WAT? that's even more insane. i am not supporting xlibre, nor am i an alpine user, but no one gets to tell me which projects i support and which i don't. that would be like cancelling daryl davis for befriending members of the KKK.
      - bitwize 1y ago
        You can still use xlibre on Alpine, but you'll have to compile it yourself. The Alpine devs consider it a CoC violation to attempt to submit Xlibre to the Alpine repository.
theandrewbailey 1y ago
I prefer using XFCE, which, despite their team's work, doesn't fully support Wayland yet. Whether it remains compatible with XLibre going forward is unclear, but it seems like XLibre will be the place for new X11 features and fixes.
- em-bee 1y ago
  yes, well, maybe. for sure Xorg at this point is not the place for new features. but perhaps, if Xlibre does become sufficiently popular, new features will be ported back. the ideal outcome would be for Xlibre to become a testing ground for new ideas, where the good ones make it back into Xorg. but the planned obsolescence creates a conflict of interest for Xorg developers, and i suspect that new features will only be accepted reluctantly just to prevent Xlibre from gaining ground. however, there is another potential outcome, in that the development of wayland focuses more on solving problems that prevent people from switching to it. now that would be a real win.

by em-bee 1y ago

pvg 1y ago

Much of this article is about the same drama which is dupey by HN dupes algebra. Maybe it's worth talking about the effects when such effects occur meaningfully.

em-bee 1y ago
ok, i suppose it is to early to tell whether the current flurry of activity on Xorg is just temporary or whether the effect will last. unlike GCC, X11 is on the way to obsolescence. and so one question is if there is even a point to continued development. but i also have the sense that Xorg devs would want to prevent Xlibre from growing. and the only way to counteract that is increased activity to show that Xorg is still under active maintenance, because the calls to replace Xorg with Xlibre are already coming, not just from those involved in Xibre but from others who are unaware of the drama and just see that Xlibre is actively maintained while Xorg isn't anymore (in their eyes).
- bitwize 1y ago
  It's not the only way to counteract that. You can do what the Alpine devs have done: make it a code-of-conduct violation to adopt Xlibre.
  - em-bee 1y ago
    WAT? that's even more insane. i am not supporting xlibre, nor am i an alpine user, but no one gets to tell me which projects i support and which i don't. that would be like cancelling daryl davis for befriending members of the KKK.
    - bitwize 1y ago
      You can still use xlibre on Alpine, but you'll have to compile it yourself. The Alpine devs consider it a CoC violation to attempt to submit Xlibre to the Alpine repository.

theandrewbailey 1y ago

I prefer using XFCE, which, despite their team's work, doesn't fully support Wayland yet. Whether it remains compatible with XLibre going forward is unclear, but it seems like XLibre will be the place for new X11 features and fixes.

em-bee 1y ago
yes, well, maybe. for sure Xorg at this point is not the place for new features. but perhaps, if Xlibre does become sufficiently popular, new features will be ported back. the ideal outcome would be for Xlibre to become a testing ground for new ideas, where the good ones make it back into Xorg. but the planned obsolescence creates a conflict of interest for Xorg developers, and i suspect that new features will only be accepted reluctantly just to prevent Xlibre from gaining ground. however, there is another potential outcome, in that the development of wayland focuses more on solving problems that prevent people from switching to it. now that would be a real win.