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If you tell somebody that they like pink bows because yadda yadda overconsumption capitalism socialism, that's a personal attack: you're co-opting their enjoyme

If you tell somebody that they like pink bows because yadda yadda overconsumption capitalism socialism, that's a personal attack: you're co-opting their enjoyment and insisting they're involved with "the system". If you procede to tell them that you were criticizing "the system" and that they just don't understand that it's not a personal attack, that's another personal attack, because now you're calling them stupid. Trying to get agreement that these are objective observations is like saying "just agree that I'm right about you". Their only option to resist is to engage on the same "deep" level, at which point they've already lost and conceded that it's all about overconsumption capitalism socialism or at least some similar shit.

chownie 1y ago
"why do you like this?" != telling someone why they like said thing, this is basically entirely off topic
- card_zero 1y ago
  > We can — in fact, we must — interrogate the culture and society that simultaneously shapes us as we shape it. It's not optional, you see, it's a moral obligation for everybody who likes fluffy pink whatevers to "think critically about the ways that our consumption or our For You pages might be reflections of that deeply political and social world" ... this amounts to telling them, in general terms, that the reason they like the thing is political. It's a disingenuous "just asking questions" deal where the objective is to talk to them about Marx, like a JW doorstepping you to just ask you whether you've thought about Jesus.
  - chownie 1y ago
    That is, to me, blindingly obvious in that it says to interrogate your own interests, not to interrogate others? My original "this is basically off topic" still applies. If we revisit the original thread comment it doesn't really bring politics into this, or force people to consider their own political interests, or actually mention anything political at all! This is very obviously your own bugbear brought into the conversation uninvited.
rixed 1y ago
If you tell your opinion about the origin of someone's taste to that person, it's not a personal attack, it's just you being honest and open to discuss your opinions. If that person takes that as an attack, it just shows how insecure they are about their taste. Which, of course, would certainly lead to another difficult discussion :)

chownie 1y ago

"why do you like this?" != telling someone why they like said thing, this is basically entirely off topic

card_zero 1y ago
> We can — in fact, we must — interrogate the culture and society that simultaneously shapes us as we shape it. It's not optional, you see, it's a moral obligation for everybody who likes fluffy pink whatevers to "think critically about the ways that our consumption or our For You pages might be reflections of that deeply political and social world" ... this amounts to telling them, in general terms, that the reason they like the thing is political. It's a disingenuous "just asking questions" deal where the objective is to talk to them about Marx, like a JW doorstepping you to just ask you whether you've thought about Jesus.
- chownie 1y ago
  That is, to me, blindingly obvious in that it says to interrogate your own interests, not to interrogate others? My original "this is basically off topic" still applies. If we revisit the original thread comment it doesn't really bring politics into this, or force people to consider their own political interests, or actually mention anything political at all! This is very obviously your own bugbear brought into the conversation uninvited.

rixed 1y ago

If you tell your opinion about the origin of someone's taste to that person, it's not a personal attack, it's just you being honest and open to discuss your opinions. If that person takes that as an attack, it just shows how insecure they are about their taste. Which, of course, would certainly lead to another difficult discussion :)