4 ms·

There is no if. This is how corporate greed works. What will happen is, that content creators will spread to different providers, that also have managers and s

by stiray 1y ago

There is no if. This is how corporate greed works. What will happen is, that content creators will spread to different providers, that also have managers and stockholders/owners. Look what Netflix was like and how many various payable video streaming providers you have now. More than you are prepared to pay for content. In few years, you will be torrenting content that today you watch for free. And only because people decided to pay, showing the world that there is money to be made in YT model.

scoofy 1y ago
Yes, businesses want money. The point is that YouTube has no leverage on creators. they have to play nice because the barrier to entry is nil as competitors already exist in Twitch, Dailymotion, Nebula, Vimeo, Dropout, etc. None of that helps you if you want it to be free, but for those of us willing to pay, we can happily ally with creators if YouTube gets shitty. That’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s a good deal now and I’m happy to take it. None of that matters if you are comparing it to piracy… obviously.
- anticensor 1y ago
  Or stratify users into creators and viewers and force both strata to pay, where viewer users cannot upload and creators cannot watch (even if they paid).
- stiray 1y ago
  We will see how prepared you will be to pay, where each of creators you watch will be on different network and you will have to pay for each network $10/month, while you watch 20 creators. Again, this is nothing new. It already happened with video streaming, where Youtube now is Netflix then.
  - scoofy 1y ago
    This already happened with Dropout.tv when college humor left YouTube. Yes, it ain’t perfect. The alternative is the creator literally stop making videos. YouTube is already not serving ads for demonetized videos. People doing it for the love of filmmaking can already do it for free.
    - stiray 1y ago
      No, the alternative is that you DONT pay. That you deliberately not do what is the easiest move(1) and on top of that even feel special for doing it. That you suffer a short time for better next. That you fight them with technical means. That you vote with your wallet, squeeze your teeth hard and show them you just wont pay and they will lose ad watcher if they show more ads. And now you will tell, that people are not disciplined enough for that, that majority wont pass the marshmallow(2) experiment? That some Mike Judge movie was actually documentary? Yes, I know. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap , A common trick is to provide victims with a simple solution to a problem, for example, leaving only one door open in an otherwise secure building, luring them straight toward the firing mechanism 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experimen...
      - scoofy 1y ago
        How do creators get paid under your rubric? They already get 55% of revenues at YouTube which is basically the highest percentage in any creator industry. How do we pay creators under your rubric and allow them to be discovered?
        stiray 1y ago
        Looks like it worked and it works, without any changes, while the number of views is keeping their earnings to small group that will not increase as there is not infinite number of time to watch the movies. And dont "creators" me. It is about google earning more money for their stockholders and managment collecting their rewards, not about "think of the children".
        scoofy 1y ago
        >And dont "creators" me. It is about google earning more money for their stockholders and managment collecting their rewards, not about "think of the children". Classic consumer-only socialist. You have no model for production except business is bad. If you care about labor then you care about labor getting paid. So far you've demonstrated that you have no model of paying content creators. You would rather they go away then actually pay for their services. You pretend you should be able to get it for free. If you have no model of production, then you have no model.
- xdfgh1112 1y ago
  Most of your suggestions are fiction but tiktok and insta are real competitors to YouTube shorts.
  - sokoloff 1y ago
    I’m glad there’s competition for the one part of YouTube that I dislike even more than the ads.

by stiray 1y ago

scoofy 1y ago

Yes, businesses want money. The point is that YouTube has no leverage on creators. they have to play nice because the barrier to entry is nil as competitors already exist in Twitch, Dailymotion, Nebula, Vimeo, Dropout, etc. None of that helps you if you want it to be free, but for those of us willing to pay, we can happily ally with creators if YouTube gets shitty. That’s how it’s supposed to work. It’s a good deal now and I’m happy to take it. None of that matters if you are comparing it to piracy… obviously.

anticensor 1y ago
Or stratify users into creators and viewers and force both strata to pay, where viewer users cannot upload and creators cannot watch (even if they paid).
stiray 1y ago
We will see how prepared you will be to pay, where each of creators you watch will be on different network and you will have to pay for each network $10/month, while you watch 20 creators. Again, this is nothing new. It already happened with video streaming, where Youtube now is Netflix then.
- scoofy 1y ago
  This already happened with Dropout.tv when college humor left YouTube. Yes, it ain’t perfect. The alternative is the creator literally stop making videos. YouTube is already not serving ads for demonetized videos. People doing it for the love of filmmaking can already do it for free.
  - stiray 1y ago
    No, the alternative is that you DONT pay. That you deliberately not do what is the easiest move(1) and on top of that even feel special for doing it. That you suffer a short time for better next. That you fight them with technical means. That you vote with your wallet, squeeze your teeth hard and show them you just wont pay and they will lose ad watcher if they show more ads. And now you will tell, that people are not disciplined enough for that, that majority wont pass the marshmallow(2) experiment? That some Mike Judge movie was actually documentary? Yes, I know. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Booby_trap , A common trick is to provide victims with a simple solution to a problem, for example, leaving only one door open in an otherwise secure building, luring them straight toward the firing mechanism 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_marshmallow_experimen...
    - scoofy 1y ago
      How do creators get paid under your rubric? They already get 55% of revenues at YouTube which is basically the highest percentage in any creator industry. How do we pay creators under your rubric and allow them to be discovered?
      - stiray 1y ago
        Looks like it worked and it works, without any changes, while the number of views is keeping their earnings to small group that will not increase as there is not infinite number of time to watch the movies. And dont "creators" me. It is about google earning more money for their stockholders and managment collecting their rewards, not about "think of the children".
        scoofy 1y ago
        >And dont "creators" me. It is about google earning more money for their stockholders and managment collecting their rewards, not about "think of the children". Classic consumer-only socialist. You have no model for production except business is bad. If you care about labor then you care about labor getting paid. So far you've demonstrated that you have no model of paying content creators. You would rather they go away then actually pay for their services. You pretend you should be able to get it for free. If you have no model of production, then you have no model.
xdfgh1112 1y ago
Most of your suggestions are fiction but tiktok and insta are real competitors to YouTube shorts.
- sokoloff 1y ago
  I’m glad there’s competition for the one part of YouTube that I dislike even more than the ads.