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I hate whining and complaining. But I still do it a lot. Why? Because I care. Let me tell you a story. There was once a company. Things were great. Then owners

I hate whining and complaining. But I still do it a lot. Why? Because I care. Let me tell you a story. There was once a company. Things were great. Then ownership changed and things were not. People complained - and rightfully so. But nothing was done about it. So the whiners left. Then it was peaceful again - the only people left were complacent. Then the company died because the problems never got fixed and the owner couldn't figure it out once all the complainers - the people who knew what it should be like - left. So, sure, some people are just natural born whiners who will never be happy. But some people just have good taste or instincts and can tell when stuff is broken. I'd say ignore them at your own risk. And on the other side of the table - if shit is broken and you don't like it - is OP suggestion we just quit? Well, what about the poor sod who takes our seat next? And what about the next place we join - a seat likely vacated by someone who themselves had had enough? It's the tragedy of the commons. If we all just keep skipping out after 1-3 year stints, just to get a fresh set of problems, well, everywhere is just going to suck. I really think this is the most likely reason software engineers will unionize - this realizing that 99% of companies are helmed by incompetent lottery winners and have been coasting on that initial capital/revenue infusion ever since.

motorest 1y ago
> So, sure, some people are just natural born whiners who will never be happy. But some people just have good taste or instincts and can tell when stuff is broken. I'd say ignore them at your own risk. Here's some food for thought: whiner communities create a conservative feedback loop that preserves existing problems and singles out for attack those who try to do anything about them. The primary output from these communities is creating a chilling effect that dissuades everyone from acting upon a problem, as doing anything about anything singles you out for attack and criticism. If you fix a problem, people stop whining. There are no praises, victory laps, or any recognition though. There is only bitching about issues. That's the problem with whiners. It's a culture based on not fixing problems and attacking those who dare do anything about anything. That's why you must stay away from whiners and complainers. They don't build up, they thrive in tearing others down.
- Cypher 1y ago
  Sometimes the single person making the change is doing so because they're expected to do something, tasked with finding efficiency, cut costs and improve productivity. Fine goals from top level. But implementation translates to stress and disruption followed by overstepping, increase work load, working out of hours, burn out, lower pay is then justified by missing goals and failing to do the failed strategy that was expected to work... single complainers are then scape goated and punished for speaking out which is why a group is necessary to protect those brave enough to say when enough is enough.

motorest 1y ago

> So, sure, some people are just natural born whiners who will never be happy. But some people just have good taste or instincts and can tell when stuff is broken. I'd say ignore them at your own risk. Here's some food for thought: whiner communities create a conservative feedback loop that preserves existing problems and singles out for attack those who try to do anything about them. The primary output from these communities is creating a chilling effect that dissuades everyone from acting upon a problem, as doing anything about anything singles you out for attack and criticism. If you fix a problem, people stop whining. There are no praises, victory laps, or any recognition though. There is only bitching about issues. That's the problem with whiners. It's a culture based on not fixing problems and attacking those who dare do anything about anything. That's why you must stay away from whiners and complainers. They don't build up, they thrive in tearing others down.

Cypher 1y ago
Sometimes the single person making the change is doing so because they're expected to do something, tasked with finding efficiency, cut costs and improve productivity. Fine goals from top level. But implementation translates to stress and disruption followed by overstepping, increase work load, working out of hours, burn out, lower pay is then justified by missing goals and failing to do the failed strategy that was expected to work... single complainers are then scape goated and punished for speaking out which is why a group is necessary to protect those brave enough to say when enough is enough.