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This is a perfect example of judging a book by the cover. So these folks look at the device and think that the hardware is what makes it. Problem is, either you

This is a perfect example of judging a book by the cover. So these folks look at the device and think that the hardware is what makes it. Problem is, either you realize that it's about the software and you care what iOS and the Apple ecosystem gives you, or you're just an average Joe PC user who can't tell the difference between a good coffee and Starbucks, I mean between Windows and Mac. Regular people, with very little ability to discern the average from the good, the half finished from the polished, won't care. But maybe they do. Maybe once they experience a iPad or iPhone and then switch to Android, maybe they will realized there is a difference. I think this is what Apple is betting on. But then again, some wont. And some Samsung/Android fanatics are going to revel in these cases, just like the PC fanatics revel in talking about how amazing Windows is, and how much software they have access to. I still can't understand how these people think, and how they judge quality, I think for some people, mediocre is good enough. Obviously, I have my own particular way of judging things, and I wouldn't confuse an iPad with a Samsung device.

xqyz 14y ago
While I agree that mediocre can be "good enough" (e.g. I don't see any reason to buy high end headphones, when I am perfectly happy with ~150 Euro ones), I think this should always be a decision made consciously, not one born out of stupidity or ignorance. If those people don't require any of the things that make a "Samsung iPad" different than the Apple one, then fine, go save a few bucks, but don't chose it because you just assume that it's all the same.
- pseudonym 14y ago
  If you don't consider 150 euro headphones to be high end, I'm scared to think where on the scale my $40 ones fall.
  - xqyz 14y ago
    Clearly you haven't been to audiophile forums. 150 is pretty much entry level for those kind of people.
    - lloeki 14y ago
      I'm no audiophile, yet I've been using a ~50€ Sennheiser for some time, and ever since I tried my girlfriend's ~250€ Beyerdynamics ("really, there can't be such a difference?") I can attest there's actually a world of difference between them, so much so that I consider ~100€ entry level now (the Sennheiser really sounds like crap).
Tmmrn 14y ago
> just like the PC fanatics revel in talking about how amazing Windows is, Hm, let's see. You could probably say I am a PC fanatic. "Personal Computer". I don't really care if the PC is from Samsung, Dell, Lenovo or Apple. I don't think Windows is amazing. It's ok as long as it is supported by much 3rd party software. I personally would chose linux anytime I am not forced by some proprietary (quasi-) monopoly software to use a specific operating system. > I still can't understand how these people think, and how they judge quality, I think for some people, mediocre is good enough. I happen to use an android phone. It has some annoying bugs: A touchscreen that is activated in a pocket while receiving a call will sometimes behave very erratically. Sometimes (once every few months I get kernel panics [1], I think caused by the proprietary graphics drivers. But still the inconveniences are not that big that I would use some completely proprietary and locked down smartphone. If you think android phones are "mediocre" then maybe you are looking for the wrong qualities. Try comparing them with software freedom in mind and tell me how again the devices running android lose vs apple devices. [1] http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24118 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24118 (I don't use the galaxy nexus but it seems similar enough)
- shinratdr 14y ago
  > Try comparing them with software freedom in mind and tell me how again the devices running android lose vs apple devices. OK. Every app worth getting for an Android device, I can get via the iOS App Store. Everything that requires a rooted or unlocked Android device, I can get via jailbreaking. I'm not an OS developer so I'm not going to be contributing patches back to AOSP. The vast majority of Android devices are bootloader-locked so they aren't free or open at all, no more than a jailbroken iOS device. In practice, it seems about the same. You need to root, unlock or jailbreak the device to install things that the manufacturer doesn't want you to. Before that, you're locked in. After that, you have total software freedom. Unless you're actively contributing patches back to AOSP, I don't see how the difference in "software freedom" actually matters in practice.
  - Tmmrn 14y ago
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement#Philosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement#Philosop...
vasco 14y ago
Average Joe PC user is the guy that fills Apple's pockets. And Samsung's for that matter.
novalis 14y ago
It's good that you have some internal determination of what quality is, but to apply that to others and try to make them sound inferior because they don't share the same values and judgements just paints you as a member of the same sort of "fanatic" group you define. Having no clue what objectivity is doesn't put someone above others, it just produces judgemental rants like the one you posted. That sort of position contributes zero to the discussion and "the little people" attitude is just disgusting really.
bornhuetter 14y ago
There are some things that are better about PCs and some things that are better about Macs. Same with Android and iOS. To put it bluntly if you think otherwise you are an uninformed, brainwashed idiot.

xqyz 14y ago

While I agree that mediocre can be "good enough" (e.g. I don't see any reason to buy high end headphones, when I am perfectly happy with ~150 Euro ones), I think this should always be a decision made consciously, not one born out of stupidity or ignorance. If those people don't require any of the things that make a "Samsung iPad" different than the Apple one, then fine, go save a few bucks, but don't chose it because you just assume that it's all the same.

pseudonym 14y ago
If you don't consider 150 euro headphones to be high end, I'm scared to think where on the scale my $40 ones fall.
- xqyz 14y ago
  Clearly you haven't been to audiophile forums. 150 is pretty much entry level for those kind of people.
  - lloeki 14y ago
    I'm no audiophile, yet I've been using a ~50€ Sennheiser for some time, and ever since I tried my girlfriend's ~250€ Beyerdynamics ("really, there can't be such a difference?") I can attest there's actually a world of difference between them, so much so that I consider ~100€ entry level now (the Sennheiser really sounds like crap).

Tmmrn 14y ago

> just like the PC fanatics revel in talking about how amazing Windows is, Hm, let's see. You could probably say I am a PC fanatic. "Personal Computer". I don't really care if the PC is from Samsung, Dell, Lenovo or Apple. I don't think Windows is amazing. It's ok as long as it is supported by much 3rd party software. I personally would chose linux anytime I am not forced by some proprietary (quasi-) monopoly software to use a specific operating system. > I still can't understand how these people think, and how they judge quality, I think for some people, mediocre is good enough. I happen to use an android phone. It has some annoying bugs: A touchscreen that is activated in a pocket while receiving a call will sometimes behave very erratically. Sometimes (once every few months I get kernel panics [1], I think caused by the proprietary graphics drivers. But still the inconveniences are not that big that I would use some completely proprietary and locked down smartphone. If you think android phones are "mediocre" then maybe you are looking for the wrong qualities. Try comparing them with software freedom in mind and tell me how again the devices running android lose vs apple devices. [1] http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24118 http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=24118 (I don't use the galaxy nexus but it seems similar enough)

shinratdr 14y ago
> Try comparing them with software freedom in mind and tell me how again the devices running android lose vs apple devices. OK. Every app worth getting for an Android device, I can get via the iOS App Store. Everything that requires a rooted or unlocked Android device, I can get via jailbreaking. I'm not an OS developer so I'm not going to be contributing patches back to AOSP. The vast majority of Android devices are bootloader-locked so they aren't free or open at all, no more than a jailbroken iOS device. In practice, it seems about the same. You need to root, unlock or jailbreak the device to install things that the manufacturer doesn't want you to. Before that, you're locked in. After that, you have total software freedom. Unless you're actively contributing patches back to AOSP, I don't see how the difference in "software freedom" actually matters in practice.
- Tmmrn 14y ago
  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement#Philosophy http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_software_movement#Philosop...

vasco 14y ago

Average Joe PC user is the guy that fills Apple's pockets. And Samsung's for that matter.

novalis 14y ago

It's good that you have some internal determination of what quality is, but to apply that to others and try to make them sound inferior because they don't share the same values and judgements just paints you as a member of the same sort of "fanatic" group you define. Having no clue what objectivity is doesn't put someone above others, it just produces judgemental rants like the one you posted. That sort of position contributes zero to the discussion and "the little people" attitude is just disgusting really.

bornhuetter 14y ago

There are some things that are better about PCs and some things that are better about Macs. Same with Android and iOS. To put it bluntly if you think otherwise you are an uninformed, brainwashed idiot.