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Will AMD catch up to Nvidia?

by deadbabe 1y ago

wmf 1y ago
Yes, if they can ship on time.
mobilio 1y ago
If they improve software quality and providing some low budget versions then - Yes.
zombiwoof 1y ago
They don’t care to catch up.
AzzyHN 1y ago
On the consumer side, almost certainly not. Nvidia is a HUGE brand name, it doesn't matter how good and cheap AMD makes their consumer GPUs, people will buy Nvidia GPUs for the brand and prebuilts will stick with Nvidia for the name. For AI chips... also probably not, unless AMD can compete with CUDA (or CUDA becomes irrelevant)
- frje1400 1y ago
  > On the consumer side, almost certainly not. Nvidia is a HUGE brand name, it doesn't matter how good and cheap AMD makes their consumer GPUs, people will buy Nvidia GPUs for the brand and prebuilts will stick with Nvidia for the name. I think that AMD could do it, but they choose not to. If you look at their most recent lineup of cards (various SKUs of 9070 and 9060), they are not so much better than Nvidia at each price point that they are a must buy. They even released an outright bad card a few weeks ago (9060 8 GB). I assume that the rationale is that even if they could somehow dominate the gamer market, that is peanuts compared to the potential in AI.
- jillesvangurp 1y ago
  Actually both Xbox and Playstation use AMD GPUs; and so does the Steam Deck. So there's that. For the narrow niche of gaming PCs, I think there are a lot of kids buying what they can afford and getting creative about what works. AMD isn't doing horrible in that market either. And for AI, CUDA is already becoming less relevant. Most of the big players use chips by their own designs: Google has its TPUs, Amazon has some in house designs, Apple has it's own CPU/GPU line and doesn't even support anything nvidia at this point, MS do their own thing for Azure, etc. You are basically making the Intel will stay big because Intel is big for Nvidia. Except of course that stopped being true for Intel. They are still largish. But a lot of data centers are transitioning to ARM CPUs. They lost Apple as a customer. And there are now some decent windows laptops using ARM CPUs as well.
  - pjmlp 1y ago
    People learning on their laptops, into their way of becoming future researchers, care about what software they can get, regardless of closed system proprietary game consoles, and hyperscalers server farms.
pjmlp 1y ago
Not for me, I was burned twice buying laptops with AMD only to battle with their software, and even the FOSS drivers on GNU/Linux weren't that great versus the Windows experience. While on Windows it has been hit and miss with their SDKs and shader tooling, anyone remembers RenderMonkey? So NVidia it is.
- gavinray 1y ago
  Yeah, sorry, I'm in the same boat. I'm team AMD for CPU (currently waiting for consumer X3D laptops to become reasonably priced). But for GPU, if only for the "It Just Works" factor, I'm wedded to NVIDIA for the foreseeable future.
z3ratul163071 1y ago
the only way for them to have any chance at catch up is to fire all the software VPs and all SW middle management, and 90% of the engineers and build the software team from ground up. cause the team they have the last decade is clearly retarded.
z3ratul163071 1y ago
and as of lately, I really think AMD exists only for NVidia not to get slapped with antitrust lawsuits. they played that part beautifully in the past decades for Intel
- naveen99 1y ago
  Beating intel is not just existing for cya against antitrust lawsuits.
  - happycube 1y ago
    Ten years ago nobody would belive that AMD would have over double Intel's market cap in 2025. And at least somewhat surprised that nVidia would be about 10x that.
  - z3ratul163071 1y ago
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Will AMD catch up to Nvidia?

wmf 1y ago

Yes, if they can ship on time.

mobilio 1y ago

If they improve software quality and providing some low budget versions then - Yes.

zombiwoof 1y ago

They don’t care to catch up.

AzzyHN 1y ago

On the consumer side, almost certainly not. Nvidia is a HUGE brand name, it doesn't matter how good and cheap AMD makes their consumer GPUs, people will buy Nvidia GPUs for the brand and prebuilts will stick with Nvidia for the name. For AI chips... also probably not, unless AMD can compete with CUDA (or CUDA becomes irrelevant)

frje1400 1y ago
> On the consumer side, almost certainly not. Nvidia is a HUGE brand name, it doesn't matter how good and cheap AMD makes their consumer GPUs, people will buy Nvidia GPUs for the brand and prebuilts will stick with Nvidia for the name. I think that AMD could do it, but they choose not to. If you look at their most recent lineup of cards (various SKUs of 9070 and 9060), they are not so much better than Nvidia at each price point that they are a must buy. They even released an outright bad card a few weeks ago (9060 8 GB). I assume that the rationale is that even if they could somehow dominate the gamer market, that is peanuts compared to the potential in AI.
jillesvangurp 1y ago
Actually both Xbox and Playstation use AMD GPUs; and so does the Steam Deck. So there's that. For the narrow niche of gaming PCs, I think there are a lot of kids buying what they can afford and getting creative about what works. AMD isn't doing horrible in that market either. And for AI, CUDA is already becoming less relevant. Most of the big players use chips by their own designs: Google has its TPUs, Amazon has some in house designs, Apple has it's own CPU/GPU line and doesn't even support anything nvidia at this point, MS do their own thing for Azure, etc. You are basically making the Intel will stay big because Intel is big for Nvidia. Except of course that stopped being true for Intel. They are still largish. But a lot of data centers are transitioning to ARM CPUs. They lost Apple as a customer. And there are now some decent windows laptops using ARM CPUs as well.
- pjmlp 1y ago
  People learning on their laptops, into their way of becoming future researchers, care about what software they can get, regardless of closed system proprietary game consoles, and hyperscalers server farms.

pjmlp 1y ago

Not for me, I was burned twice buying laptops with AMD only to battle with their software, and even the FOSS drivers on GNU/Linux weren't that great versus the Windows experience. While on Windows it has been hit and miss with their SDKs and shader tooling, anyone remembers RenderMonkey? So NVidia it is.

gavinray 1y ago
Yeah, sorry, I'm in the same boat. I'm team AMD for CPU (currently waiting for consumer X3D laptops to become reasonably priced). But for GPU, if only for the "It Just Works" factor, I'm wedded to NVIDIA for the foreseeable future.

z3ratul163071 1y ago

the only way for them to have any chance at catch up is to fire all the software VPs and all SW middle management, and 90% of the engineers and build the software team from ground up. cause the team they have the last decade is clearly retarded.

z3ratul163071 1y ago

and as of lately, I really think AMD exists only for NVidia not to get slapped with antitrust lawsuits. they played that part beautifully in the past decades for Intel

naveen99 1y ago
Beating intel is not just existing for cya against antitrust lawsuits.
- happycube 1y ago
  Ten years ago nobody would belive that AMD would have over double Intel's market cap in 2025. And at least somewhat surprised that nVidia would be about 10x that.
- z3ratul163071 1y ago
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