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"I want free hosting and an audience but I don't want to pay for it"

by arccy 1y ago

ge96 1y ago
Yeah I get if that's why I said it I do pay for it, the time to make the content Sucks how everything is like that nowadays, IG, Reddit (have to join a platform to be seen)
- deleted 1y ago
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- PurestGuava 1y ago
  You pay to make the content. You would have to "pay" to make the content no matter where you hosted it. You don't pay YouTube to host it. That's a silly argument. You seem to ignore that you would probably have no audience - or have a significantly smaller audience - were it not for YouTube hosting your content. They are providing you a service, but you seem to think that nobody - not you, not your viewers - should have to trade anything for that service, despite the hosting and streaming of video being one of the most expensive possible tech services in the world (bar perhaps running genAI models.) I dunno it's just very annoying how a lot of people have memed themselves into this train of thought where the big tech companies aren't actually providing them anything of value, when if they decided to suddenly stop providing their services they would be up a creek without a paddle.
markus_zhang 1y ago
Well, no one pushes YouTube to give free services right? Come on, make us pay for it! See what happens.
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > make us pay for it! See what happens I pay for YouTube and Nebula.
  - markus_zhang 1y ago
    That’s your choice and I respect that.
- stavros 1y ago
  They are, aren't they?
- Kranar 1y ago
  You can pay for Youtube and you won't get ads.
  - ge96 1y ago
    I thought you still got ads guess I'll find out I'll compromise, I'll get premium but still have my adblock
    - PurestGuava 1y ago
      There are no ads on Premium. Source: I have Premium and have adblock disabled on YouTube - no ads.
    - arccy 1y ago
      you don't get ads from Youtube. the people you watch may still say sponsored stuff.
- kllrnohj 1y ago
  YouTube Premium has existed for years now... You're absolutely able to pay for an ad-free experience, and it provides more financial support to creators than ads do
  - markus_zhang 1y ago
    That is a good point. But I usually pay through Patreon. I wonder which one is better, and if I can attribute YT premium to a specific author?
    - PurestGuava 1y ago
      YT Premium revenue goes to the same creators you watch otherwise but they get compensated more for your views than they do for any other person's views. e.g. Linus Tech Tips posted up their share of revenue from AdSense in 2024; YT Premium made up 37% of their revenue despite being 29% of their views. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCP-0nuziE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCP-0nuziE Whether that makes a given creator more money versus Patreon depends on how much you watch them, frankly.
    - arccy 1y ago
      That's different though. Paying through Patreon is directly giving the creators a larger share, but neither party (you or the creator) pays for video hosting service in this transaction. Your argument only makes sense if you watch the creator's videos exclusively on Patreon (paid by the cut they take from your transaction) or on a platform like Vimeo (paid directly by the creator for hosting). In which case, what Youtube does isn't relevant to you.
      - anticensor 1y ago
        Patreon now lets users upload videos.
  - appreciatorBus 1y ago
    The existence of premium is not the same as parent poster’s, “make us pay for it” idea, aka a paywall. If YouTube and its content actually has value, then presumably a paywall would have no effect of revenues of YouTube or creators. On the other hand if the content is actually nearly worthless, the vast majority of people would find something better to do with their time. I know which outcome I’d be betting on!

"I want free hosting and an audience but I don't want to pay for it"

by arccy 1y ago

"I want free hosting and an audience but I don't want to pay for it"

ge96 1y ago

Yeah I get if that's why I said it I do pay for it, the time to make the content Sucks how everything is like that nowadays, IG, Reddit (have to join a platform to be seen)

deleted 1y ago
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PurestGuava 1y ago
You pay to make the content. You would have to "pay" to make the content no matter where you hosted it. You don't pay YouTube to host it. That's a silly argument. You seem to ignore that you would probably have no audience - or have a significantly smaller audience - were it not for YouTube hosting your content. They are providing you a service, but you seem to think that nobody - not you, not your viewers - should have to trade anything for that service, despite the hosting and streaming of video being one of the most expensive possible tech services in the world (bar perhaps running genAI models.) I dunno it's just very annoying how a lot of people have memed themselves into this train of thought where the big tech companies aren't actually providing them anything of value, when if they decided to suddenly stop providing their services they would be up a creek without a paddle.

markus_zhang 1y ago

Well, no one pushes YouTube to give free services right? Come on, make us pay for it! See what happens.

JumpCrisscross 1y ago
> make us pay for it! See what happens I pay for YouTube and Nebula.
- markus_zhang 1y ago
  That’s your choice and I respect that.
stavros 1y ago
They are, aren't they?
Kranar 1y ago
You can pay for Youtube and you won't get ads.
- ge96 1y ago
  I thought you still got ads guess I'll find out I'll compromise, I'll get premium but still have my adblock
  - PurestGuava 1y ago
    There are no ads on Premium. Source: I have Premium and have adblock disabled on YouTube - no ads.
  - arccy 1y ago
    you don't get ads from Youtube. the people you watch may still say sponsored stuff.
kllrnohj 1y ago
YouTube Premium has existed for years now... You're absolutely able to pay for an ad-free experience, and it provides more financial support to creators than ads do
- markus_zhang 1y ago
  That is a good point. But I usually pay through Patreon. I wonder which one is better, and if I can attribute YT premium to a specific author?
  - PurestGuava 1y ago
    YT Premium revenue goes to the same creators you watch otherwise but they get compensated more for your views than they do for any other person's views. e.g. Linus Tech Tips posted up their share of revenue from AdSense in 2024; YT Premium made up 37% of their revenue despite being 29% of their views. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCP-0nuziE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeCP-0nuziE Whether that makes a given creator more money versus Patreon depends on how much you watch them, frankly.
  - arccy 1y ago
    That's different though. Paying through Patreon is directly giving the creators a larger share, but neither party (you or the creator) pays for video hosting service in this transaction. Your argument only makes sense if you watch the creator's videos exclusively on Patreon (paid by the cut they take from your transaction) or on a platform like Vimeo (paid directly by the creator for hosting). In which case, what Youtube does isn't relevant to you.
    - anticensor 1y ago
      Patreon now lets users upload videos.
- appreciatorBus 1y ago
  The existence of premium is not the same as parent poster’s, “make us pay for it” idea, aka a paywall. If YouTube and its content actually has value, then presumably a paywall would have no effect of revenues of YouTube or creators. On the other hand if the content is actually nearly worthless, the vast majority of people would find something better to do with their time. I know which outcome I’d be betting on!