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23,000 years is really not a meaningful distance at all in terms of evolutionary timescales.

quantadev 1y ago
Sure it is. Especially when talking about relative sizes of existing anatomy rather than completely new anatomy. For example: Women's feet have gotten considerably larger over the past several decades. For example, in the 1960s, the average size was around a 6.5, in the 1970s it was 7.5, and today it's often cited as between 8.5 and 9. That's a whopping 30% (according to Gemini) increase in them whoppers, in my lifetime alone. I think it's well know also that when there's a certain type of environmental condition that puts different stressors on something evolution can happen only in a few generations. Look it up. There's countless examples of rapid evolution that's well known to happen.
- nurettin 1y ago
  If true, it might be due to nutrition or a myriad of other factors, not just pure evolution.
  - quantadev 1y ago
    We're living in the age of Google/AI/LLMs, so anyone can verify my facts.
    - nurettin 1y ago
      Yes we live in a society, and 50-100 years is not significant in an evolutionary scale (unless you are breeding artificially en-masse which would be funny in case of women with giant feet).
      - quantadev 1y ago
        Rapid Evolution _does_ happen also. Foster's Rule can happen in under 100 years. "Evolutionary Scale" time ranges is normally what we associate with the ability to evolve entirely new body morphologies. However, for simple changes in length of existing structures often only several generations is required (a few decades).
        nurettin 1y ago
        Very dubious. Maybe you can ask your LLM about evolution without natural selection.
        quantadev 1y ago
        Anyone interested in "Rapid Evolution" has already checked Google Gemini and knows I'm right.
        nurettin 1y ago
        We are probably talking about entirely different things. Growing feet (if there is even such a thing) being attributed to evolution (by natural selection) sounds wrong, and I don't know how "rapid evolution" is related. And I'm sorry, conversations involving phrases like "ask gemini" is just hilarious to me. I can't even.
        quantadev 1y ago
        In many cases no one knows the _cause_ of "Rapid Evolution", but ALL SOTA LLMs know it definitely happens, and quite often, and can give numerous examples.
        binary132 1y ago
        “My LLM thinks so” has got to be the worst supporting argument I’ve ever seen, and I fear it will become all too common. Even “just Google it” is better, because at least the user might find an actual source. Have you tried asking these programs to provide some sources and reading those instead?
        quantadev 1y ago
        Google Gemini Prompt: "Does Rapid Evolution Happen"

Sure it is. Especially when talking about relative sizes of existing anatomy rather than completely new anatomy. For example: Women's feet have gotten considerably larger over the past several decades. For example, in the 1960s, the average size was around a 6.5, in the 1970s it was 7.5, and today it's often cited as between 8.5 and 9. That's a whopping 30% (according to Gemini) increase in them whoppers, in my lifetime alone. I think it's well know also that when there's a certain type of environmental condition that puts different stressors on something evolution can happen only in a few generations. Look it up. There's countless examples of rapid evolution that's well known to happen.

nurettin 1y ago
If true, it might be due to nutrition or a myriad of other factors, not just pure evolution.
- quantadev 1y ago
  We're living in the age of Google/AI/LLMs, so anyone can verify my facts.
  - nurettin 1y ago
    Yes we live in a society, and 50-100 years is not significant in an evolutionary scale (unless you are breeding artificially en-masse which would be funny in case of women with giant feet).
    - quantadev 1y ago
      Rapid Evolution _does_ happen also. Foster's Rule can happen in under 100 years. "Evolutionary Scale" time ranges is normally what we associate with the ability to evolve entirely new body morphologies. However, for simple changes in length of existing structures often only several generations is required (a few decades).
      - nurettin 1y ago
        Very dubious. Maybe you can ask your LLM about evolution without natural selection.
        quantadev 1y ago
        Anyone interested in "Rapid Evolution" has already checked Google Gemini and knows I'm right.
        nurettin 1y ago
        We are probably talking about entirely different things. Growing feet (if there is even such a thing) being attributed to evolution (by natural selection) sounds wrong, and I don't know how "rapid evolution" is related. And I'm sorry, conversations involving phrases like "ask gemini" is just hilarious to me. I can't even.
        quantadev 1y ago
        In many cases no one knows the _cause_ of "Rapid Evolution", but ALL SOTA LLMs know it definitely happens, and quite often, and can give numerous examples.
        binary132 1y ago
        “My LLM thinks so” has got to be the worst supporting argument I’ve ever seen, and I fear it will become all too common. Even “just Google it” is better, because at least the user might find an actual source. Have you tried asking these programs to provide some sources and reading those instead?
        quantadev 1y ago
        Google Gemini Prompt: "Does Rapid Evolution Happen"