> I'd also argue most engineers don't think very hard about what's actually valuable to a company. My experience differs: many software developers think deeply

> I'd also argue most engineers don't think very hard about what's actually valuable to a company. My experience differs: many software developers think deeply about what is valuable to the company, but don't play the ferocious political games that managers do play (the only winning move is not to play). Relatedly and because of their logic thinking, they thus often come to the conclusion that these scumbags of managers are clearly not what is valuable to the company.