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Even if the jury took a month and asked 1000 questions, the losing side or those who align with the losing side would find something, no matter how minute, to q

by YooLi 14y ago

Even if the jury took a month and asked 1000 questions, the losing side or those who align with the losing side would find something, no matter how minute, to question the decision.

eevilspock 14y ago
The fact that your valid opinion got downvoted shows that the problem may not be an emotionally biased jury in the courtroom so much as many emotionally biased HN users.
- shardling 14y ago
  Not everything true is worth saying. I don't think the original comment particularly adds anything to the conversation.
- veemjeem 14y ago
  Yeah, I feel like many HN readers think this is Apple vs Android, but it's not. HN readers want to defend Android, so they feel this is the case where Apple battles Android, but really the case has little to do with Android. In most of the cases where Samsung copies Apple, the Android default implementation would have prevented that. Android handsets usually have a micro usb connector, but Samsung chose to copy Apple's 30 pin connector over the Android default. Why would anyone do that unless they wanted to clone Apple?
  - danielweber 14y ago
    Was it plug-compatible with Apple's connector? That would seem open-and-shut for infringement. I thought it just looked similar, which makes it a judgment call for a jury. I could accept most of what Samsung did as a technical choice, but that power charger really leaped out at me. Proprietary chargers suck for end users.
    - catch23 14y ago
      It's similar, but not exact. You can actually plug the galaxy into apple addon products (the connector will fit), but you'll probably fry your galaxy. Maybe someone has already done this and complained to Apple. However, even if the copy was exact, I think it would still be difficult to make the case for infringement.
      - dubya 14y ago
        It's a mirrored version of Apple's connector. This was an especially goofy choice, as there's already a standard called PDMI they could have used. There's a detailed discussion here: http://www.pocketables.com/forum//showthread.php?p=55941 http://www.pocketables.com/forum//showthread.php?p=55941
    - misterbee 14y ago
      If it's compatible, it's open-and-shut for NON-infringement, since copying for compatibility purposes is protected by law.
  - josteink 14y ago
    Factually incorrect. All Samsung handsets have micro-USB connectors as mandated by EU rules. How Apple gets away with not having it, I don't know. Granted, Samsung tablets have a similar wide connector, but so does almost all tablets I have seen due to regular USB not having enough power to charge them efficiently. And then you want it wide, not tall, not to impact tablet thickness. Apple has no argument here.
    - Joeri 14y ago
      About the EU rules: - They only cover mobile phones - The devices must be compatible with a micro-USB charger, but it's perfectly alright if you do this with an adapter piece. The charger that comes with the device must also be micro-USB compatible (apple chargers allow you to plug a different USB cord into them). http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/chargers/questions/index_en.htm http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/chargers/questio...
  - TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
    >Samsung chose to copy Apple's 30 pin connector over the Android default Depends which phone. Some of their phones have BlackBerry-style micro-USB-esque connectors.
    - veemjeem 14y ago
      all their phones have micro usb connectors. the 30pin adapter is only for their tablets.
ok_craig 14y ago
And they wouldn't necessarily be wrong in doing so.
jlgreco 14y ago
Whether you merely hold a press release saying that you have perfected cold fusion, or if you land men on the moon in front of the entire world, there will always be people who find something, no matter how minute, to question. Of course in one extreme the questioning could not be more justified and in the other it is bordering on mental illness... but don't let that distract you. Surely everything in this world is black and white.

by YooLi 14y ago

Even if the jury took a month and asked 1000 questions, the losing side or those who align with the losing side would find something, no matter how minute, to question the decision.

eevilspock 14y ago

The fact that your valid opinion got downvoted shows that the problem may not be an emotionally biased jury in the courtroom so much as many emotionally biased HN users.

shardling 14y ago
Not everything true is worth saying. I don't think the original comment particularly adds anything to the conversation.
veemjeem 14y ago
Yeah, I feel like many HN readers think this is Apple vs Android, but it's not. HN readers want to defend Android, so they feel this is the case where Apple battles Android, but really the case has little to do with Android. In most of the cases where Samsung copies Apple, the Android default implementation would have prevented that. Android handsets usually have a micro usb connector, but Samsung chose to copy Apple's 30 pin connector over the Android default. Why would anyone do that unless they wanted to clone Apple?
- danielweber 14y ago
  Was it plug-compatible with Apple's connector? That would seem open-and-shut for infringement. I thought it just looked similar, which makes it a judgment call for a jury. I could accept most of what Samsung did as a technical choice, but that power charger really leaped out at me. Proprietary chargers suck for end users.
  - catch23 14y ago
    It's similar, but not exact. You can actually plug the galaxy into apple addon products (the connector will fit), but you'll probably fry your galaxy. Maybe someone has already done this and complained to Apple. However, even if the copy was exact, I think it would still be difficult to make the case for infringement.
    - dubya 14y ago
      It's a mirrored version of Apple's connector. This was an especially goofy choice, as there's already a standard called PDMI they could have used. There's a detailed discussion here: http://www.pocketables.com/forum//showthread.php?p=55941 http://www.pocketables.com/forum//showthread.php?p=55941
  - misterbee 14y ago
    If it's compatible, it's open-and-shut for NON-infringement, since copying for compatibility purposes is protected by law.
- josteink 14y ago
  Factually incorrect. All Samsung handsets have micro-USB connectors as mandated by EU rules. How Apple gets away with not having it, I don't know. Granted, Samsung tablets have a similar wide connector, but so does almost all tablets I have seen due to regular USB not having enough power to charge them efficiently. And then you want it wide, not tall, not to impact tablet thickness. Apple has no argument here.
  - Joeri 14y ago
    About the EU rules: - They only cover mobile phones - The devices must be compatible with a micro-USB charger, but it's perfectly alright if you do this with an adapter piece. The charger that comes with the device must also be micro-USB compatible (apple chargers allow you to plug a different USB cord into them). http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/chargers/questions/index_en.htm http://ec.europa.eu/enterprise/sectors/rtte/chargers/questio...
- TazeTSchnitzel 14y ago
  >Samsung chose to copy Apple's 30 pin connector over the Android default Depends which phone. Some of their phones have BlackBerry-style micro-USB-esque connectors.
  - veemjeem 14y ago
    all their phones have micro usb connectors. the 30pin adapter is only for their tablets.

ok_craig 14y ago

And they wouldn't necessarily be wrong in doing so.

jlgreco 14y ago

Whether you merely hold a press release saying that you have perfected cold fusion, or if you land men on the moon in front of the entire world, there will always be people who find something, no matter how minute, to question. Of course in one extreme the questioning could not be more justified and in the other it is bordering on mental illness... but don't let that distract you. Surely everything in this world is black and white.