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Yes! All I was trying to say: Containers can contain code which open arbitrary ports using the provided kernel interface whereas serverless workers cannot. Wor

Yes! All I was trying to say: Containers can contain code which open arbitrary ports using the provided kernel interface whereas serverless workers cannot. Workers can only handle HTTP using the provided HTTP interface. I don’t need a container, sure, I need a system with a network sockets API.

mdaniel 1y ago
FWIW, Lambda takes the opposite of your assertion: there are function entrypoints and the HTTP or gRPC or Stdin is an implementation detail; one can see that in practice via the golang lambda "bootstrap" shim <https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/aws/aws-lambda-go@v1.49.0/lambda#Start https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/aws/aws-lambda-go@v1.49.0/lamb...> which is invoked by the Runtime Interface Emulator <https://github.com/aws/aws-lambda-runtime-interface-emulator/blob/v1.26/cmd/aws-lambda-rie/main.go#L22 https://github.com/aws/aws-lambda-runtime-interface-emulator...> I don't have the links to Azure's or GCP's function emulation framework, but my recollection is that they behave similarly, for similar reasons
- conradev 1y ago
  Oh yes! I was thinking about the V8 isolate flavor of stateless functions (Cloudflare, Fastly, etc). I had forgotten about the containerized Linux microVM stateless functions (Lambda, Cloud Run, etc). They have everything, and my favorite use is https://github.com/stanfordsnr/gg https://github.com/stanfordsnr/gg Funnily, enough, the V8 isolates support stdio via WASM now
motorest 1y ago
> Workers can only handle HTTP using the provided HTTP interface. Not true. Cloudflare Workers support Cron triggers and RPC calls in the form of service bindings. Also, Cloudflare Queues support consumer workers. Claiming "Workers can only handle HTTP" is also meaningless as HTTP is also used to handle events. For example, Cloudflare Queues supports consumers using HTTP short polling.
- conradev 1y ago
  You forgot email, too! But I still can't handle SSH or proxy WireGuard or anything like that (yet!)

mdaniel 1y ago

FWIW, Lambda takes the opposite of your assertion: there are function entrypoints and the HTTP or gRPC or Stdin is an implementation detail; one can see that in practice via the golang lambda "bootstrap" shim <https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/aws/aws-lambda-go@v1.49.0/lambda#Start https://pkg.go.dev/github.com/aws/aws-lambda-go@v1.49.0/lamb...> which is invoked by the Runtime Interface Emulator <https://github.com/aws/aws-lambda-runtime-interface-emulator/blob/v1.26/cmd/aws-lambda-rie/main.go#L22 https://github.com/aws/aws-lambda-runtime-interface-emulator...> I don't have the links to Azure's or GCP's function emulation framework, but my recollection is that they behave similarly, for similar reasons

conradev 1y ago
Oh yes! I was thinking about the V8 isolate flavor of stateless functions (Cloudflare, Fastly, etc). I had forgotten about the containerized Linux microVM stateless functions (Lambda, Cloud Run, etc). They have everything, and my favorite use is https://github.com/stanfordsnr/gg https://github.com/stanfordsnr/gg Funnily, enough, the V8 isolates support stdio via WASM now

motorest 1y ago

> Workers can only handle HTTP using the provided HTTP interface. Not true. Cloudflare Workers support Cron triggers and RPC calls in the form of service bindings. Also, Cloudflare Queues support consumer workers. Claiming "Workers can only handle HTTP" is also meaningless as HTTP is also used to handle events. For example, Cloudflare Queues supports consumers using HTTP short polling.

conradev 1y ago
You forgot email, too! But I still can't handle SSH or proxy WireGuard or anything like that (yet!)