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Driving into manhattan and paying for parking is something only the fairly wealthy could afford anyway.
by lokar 1y ago
Driving into manhattan and paying for parking is something only the fairly wealthy could afford anyway.
- decafninja 1y agoDriving into Manhattan every day? Yes. Occasionally? Tons of middle class people do it. The majority of my social circle consists of middle and upper middle class Newjerseyans. Many commute daily into Manhattan via public transit. But if they’re going in for anything other than work, it’s always the car. Which congestion price is perfectly fine for if you’re only going in occasionally.
- the_mitsuhiko 1y ago> Occasionally? Tons of middle class people do it. I would not be surprised if occasionally driving into Manhattan is cheaper now. Surely the excessive prices on parking should be going down.
- lokar 1y agoIt should be cheaper already if you place a non-zero value on your time.
- mc32 1y agoDo people put a value on time when not doing value added stuff? When they go for a walk, do they instead run? Do they try to only meet up with friends who can return an investment on their time? Do these people not shoot the shit? Are they busy beavers at all times maximizing wealth?
- kfajdsl 1y agoThese are all things that people find value in. Most people don't assign any value to sitting in traffic.
- recursive 1y agoShooting the shit could be precisely what they do instead of idling in traffic. Most people would prefer it.
- mc32 1y agoI dunno, man, It's rumored they have this thing called cellular telephony technology allowing just such a thing while in traffic --I could be wrong though, thems being wealthy and shit.
- recursive 1y agoThe rumors are true, but you seem to have missed my point. Some people might prefer to communicate in person. You might not be one of them.
- SoftTalker 1y agoMost normal people put a very low value on their time, because they don't have any practical way to monitize an extra hour. It's just "free" time.
- echelon 1y agoThe supply demand curve might mean prices temporarily drop with demand, but that might put pressure on some parking to convert to other uses, which will then lower supply.
- lokar 1y agoI agree. Also, the money from the fee is supposed to improve transit (we will see how long that lasts…), and IMO a share should go to NJ transit into manhattan.
- shipscode 1y agoTell me you've never lived in lower Manhattan without telling me you've never lived in lower Manhattan. Edit: Happy to be downvoted by people who actually live in Manhattan and take 5 seconds out of their day to talk to anybody who works in a local store. Brooklyn transplants can move along.
- lokar 1y ago17th and 6th av
- lokar 1y agoI would (I’ve since moved) worry that less traffic would mean faster cars. As a pedestrian I did appreciate just how slowly cars normally move in Manhattan.
- selectodude 1y agoManhattan is blanketed in unmarked speed cameras.
- mtalantikite 1y agoYeah, this is the only disagreement I have with congestion pricing too. I have a friend that lives in Tribeca (in the place he grew up in in the 80s) and needs a car to drive to his art studio in New Jersey. I feel like they should get an exemption or at least a heavily reduced rate. But my in laws that drive in from the suburbs a few times a year? They can afford the $9.
- lokar 1y agoIn such a dense and complex place it’s impossible to avoid at least some negative impacts, at least early on. Hopefully transit will improve.
- righthand 1y agoYour buddy should move to NJ if he needs low cost access to his studio. The roads will be tolled and the price will only go up. The entire point is to reduce the amount of people using the roads for a cheap benefit (ex living in Tribeca one of the most expensive neighborhoods in the city and complaining that you have no low cost access to NJ).
- kjkjadksj 1y agoIf that were true congestion pricing would not affect car counts
- lokar 1y agoLike any moderate financial incentive it impacts a minority of people at the margin. For phenomenon like traffic that can make a big impact.
- tetromino_ 1y agoI have a school teacher friend who commutes by car every day between the Bronx and upper Manhattan (outside the congestion zone - but you said "Manhattan" without any qualifier). Obviously she doesn't pay for parking. Public transportation in her case would be quite inconvenient due to how the subway lines are laid out.