> engineering only has to deal with the complexity of the computer which is at least deterministic Engineers outside business structures can scramble themselve

> engineering only has to deal with the complexity of the computer which is at least deterministic Engineers outside business structures can scramble themselves and produce value. It's messy and inefficient, but doable. Sometimes, it's a lot of value. This requires human communication. Engineer-to-engineer brawls. It's nothing like the well oiled JIRA machine. It's a mess, but it is undeniably human. I think that deserves a little more respect. The article talks about JIRA metrics. Teams the measure productivity, time spent, code produced, deadlines. Ins't that a poor attempt at making human team work _deterministic_? Don't get me wrong, I don't think that's completely useless, but it certainly can be detrimental to both engineering and business. I'm not saying you do those things or preach that pure metric-based system. However, you are making a comment on an article about it, and I think that in the middle of your rant, you reversed the roles a little bit.