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Wayland supports nvidia cards, that they are not supported is FUD at this point in time.

colanderman 1y ago
Really? As of a couple months ago I nearly totally hosed my Debian installation trying to get Wayland GDM working under Nvidia.
- abhinavk 1y ago
  I haven't tried Debian but the latest releases of Ubuntu, Fedora as well as any rolling release distro work fine.
- lotharcable 1y ago
  Nvidia under Linux has had a long and hard history. For most purposes, including gaming, it is best to avoid Nvidia hardware. Using Intel for laptops and AMD for dedicated GPUs is kinda the best general approach if you are planning on using Linux. Of course if you have a need for CUDA then Nvidia is the only game in town, but that is a different issue then Wayland support. For a while Nvidia was fighting the Xorg/Wayland devs over GBM vs EGLStreams which has delayed Wayland support. This has to do with the API extensions that allowed Wayland to manage application output buffers. Gnome was the only Wayland environment to try to support EGLStreams for Nvidia, but it really didn't do them any good. A while ago Nvidia eventually switched over to GBM and EGLStreams is dead, which helped out a lot of people running non-Gnome Wayland desktops. But there are lots of problems with Nvidia drivers besides that right now. The reality is that Nvidia doesn't care about consumer Linux desktop. Their primary focus is on Enterprise users in terms of people needing graphically accelerated desktops. So right now if you are running Linux on your personal workstations/desktops/laptops you are essentially beta testers for whenever Enterprise Linux distros make the switch to Wayland.
  - justin66 1y ago
    > The reality is that Nvidia doesn't care about consumer Linux desktop. Their primary focus is on Enterprise users in terms of people needing graphically accelerated desktops. What does this actually mean in terms of technology? What is Nvidia providing that works for RHEL but doesn't work for Fedora, or whatever?
- demosthanos 1y ago
  I've been totally breaking Linux installs trying to get Nvidia to work for 15 years now, and that's on X11. On the other hand I recently did the first OS upgrade that I've ever done successfully without breaking Nvidia and that was running Wayland. Nvidia is just really really bad on Linux in general, so it's always a coin toss if you'll be able to boot your system after messing with their drivers, regardless of display server.
anonym29 1y ago
I have an RTX 4060 Ti with latest drivers installed, KDE on Debian. On the login screen, I can select X11 or Wayland. Selecting X11 lets me log in fine, selecting Wayland and logging in results in a black screen and the only thing I can do to get any video out at all is switching to another TTY.
- colanderman 1y ago
  Same exact experience here. Nearly borked my entire installation trying to get that to work.
- opticfluorine 1y ago
  I have an RTX 4060 with latest drivers, KDE, and Arch. Wayland works perfectly for me. Maybe Debian has some outdated packages that haven't caught up yet?
  - anonym29 1y ago
    "Works on my machine, just use my OS" isn't a solution to my problem, whereas X11 is a solution to my problem.
    - const_cast 1y ago
      You're literally running Debian. It's Debian. It's old, it's outdated, yes that's your problem! Listen, I run Debian too. But I'm not going to get online and complain out X Y Z not working when I'm running a package from 3 years ago. Please, be for real.
      - anonym29 1y ago
        >It's old, it's outdated, yes that's your problem! No, it's stable, it's reliable, it's the solution to all of the problems I had on Arch, Fedora, and other rolling releases. And again, Nvidia drivers work perfectly right out of the box on X11. Wayland? That's a new problem.
Spivak 1y ago
I have an Nvidia card with the default Fedora install and it works on Wayland without having to do anything.

Really? As of a couple months ago I nearly totally hosed my Debian installation trying to get Wayland GDM working under Nvidia.

abhinavk 1y ago
I haven't tried Debian but the latest releases of Ubuntu, Fedora as well as any rolling release distro work fine.
lotharcable 1y ago
Nvidia under Linux has had a long and hard history. For most purposes, including gaming, it is best to avoid Nvidia hardware. Using Intel for laptops and AMD for dedicated GPUs is kinda the best general approach if you are planning on using Linux. Of course if you have a need for CUDA then Nvidia is the only game in town, but that is a different issue then Wayland support. For a while Nvidia was fighting the Xorg/Wayland devs over GBM vs EGLStreams which has delayed Wayland support. This has to do with the API extensions that allowed Wayland to manage application output buffers. Gnome was the only Wayland environment to try to support EGLStreams for Nvidia, but it really didn't do them any good. A while ago Nvidia eventually switched over to GBM and EGLStreams is dead, which helped out a lot of people running non-Gnome Wayland desktops. But there are lots of problems with Nvidia drivers besides that right now. The reality is that Nvidia doesn't care about consumer Linux desktop. Their primary focus is on Enterprise users in terms of people needing graphically accelerated desktops. So right now if you are running Linux on your personal workstations/desktops/laptops you are essentially beta testers for whenever Enterprise Linux distros make the switch to Wayland.
- justin66 1y ago
  > The reality is that Nvidia doesn't care about consumer Linux desktop. Their primary focus is on Enterprise users in terms of people needing graphically accelerated desktops. What does this actually mean in terms of technology? What is Nvidia providing that works for RHEL but doesn't work for Fedora, or whatever?
demosthanos 1y ago
I've been totally breaking Linux installs trying to get Nvidia to work for 15 years now, and that's on X11. On the other hand I recently did the first OS upgrade that I've ever done successfully without breaking Nvidia and that was running Wayland. Nvidia is just really really bad on Linux in general, so it's always a coin toss if you'll be able to boot your system after messing with their drivers, regardless of display server.

anonym29 1y ago

I have an RTX 4060 Ti with latest drivers installed, KDE on Debian. On the login screen, I can select X11 or Wayland. Selecting X11 lets me log in fine, selecting Wayland and logging in results in a black screen and the only thing I can do to get any video out at all is switching to another TTY.

colanderman 1y ago
Same exact experience here. Nearly borked my entire installation trying to get that to work.
opticfluorine 1y ago
I have an RTX 4060 with latest drivers, KDE, and Arch. Wayland works perfectly for me. Maybe Debian has some outdated packages that haven't caught up yet?
- anonym29 1y ago
  "Works on my machine, just use my OS" isn't a solution to my problem, whereas X11 is a solution to my problem.
  - const_cast 1y ago
    You're literally running Debian. It's Debian. It's old, it's outdated, yes that's your problem! Listen, I run Debian too. But I'm not going to get online and complain out X Y Z not working when I'm running a package from 3 years ago. Please, be for real.
    - anonym29 1y ago
      >It's old, it's outdated, yes that's your problem! No, it's stable, it's reliable, it's the solution to all of the problems I had on Arch, Fedora, and other rolling releases. And again, Nvidia drivers work perfectly right out of the box on X11. Wayland? That's a new problem.

Spivak 1y ago

I have an Nvidia card with the default Fedora install and it works on Wayland without having to do anything.