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I don't see how your argument puts my initial argument into doubt, tbh. If IQ isn't real but SES-and-education are, well then SES-and-education is the thing tha
by FeepingCreature 1y ago
I don't see how your argument puts my initial argument into doubt, tbh. If IQ isn't real but SES-and-education are, well then SES-and-education is the thing that you pick up at a glance. I'm not sure that the specific construction of causation here matters.
But also sure, I tend to assert my opinions pretty strongly in part to invite pushback.
- tptacek 1y agoAll I'm saying is that "most reliable metrics in psychology" is less a mic drop than that sentence would make it sound. The arrows of causality here are extremely controversial --- not politically, but scientifically.
- FeepingCreature 1y agoSure, that's fair. I kinda wish the topic wasn't politicized so we could just get scientists to hash it out without having to ask "is that a scientific conclusion or do you think it would be politically disadvantageous to come to another answer". My own view is "IQ is real and massively impactful", because of the people I've read on the topic, my understanding of biology, sociology and history, and my experience in general, but I haven't kept a list of citations to document my trajectory there.