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ethbr1 1y ago
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tomhow 1y ago
Anyone can act as though their position is righteous enough, and their opponent's is pernicious enough, that an exception should be made in their case. But it's only because enough people make an effort to avoid that that HN can continue to exist as a place where people want to come and discuss important topics. If someone else's comment is wrong, respond with an opposing argument. If their comment is inflammatory or in some other way in breach of the guidelines, flag it, and/or report it to us via email. We have several ways of keeping discussion healthy here, but we need everyone to do their part.
- almostgotcaught 1y ago
  > Anyone can act as though their position is righteous enough, and their opponent's is pernicious enough, that an exception should be made in this case. "Both sides are the same" > If someone else's comment is wrong, respond with an opposing argument. If their comment is inflammatory or in some other way in breach of the guidelines, flag it, and/or report it to us via email. My man - there are well known dog whistles and revisionist accounts of the slave trade in this very comment chain ... And yet the only one that gets flagged is mine. And even so based on what grounds - a flippant remark about Wikipedia being free? Forgive me if I don't take your commitment to "healthy" discourse seriously.
  - tomhow 1y ago
    We don't care about the "side". I don't even know what "side" or what central point you're arguing. Our role as moderators is not to adjudicate on arguments, it's to prevent the place from burning to the ground. Your comments have been inflammatory and abusive from the very beginning of your participation in the thread, so of course you're attracting flags. But you're certainly not the only commenter getting flags in the thread. All the feedback mechanisms we offer are here to help you if your intention is to contribute positively to the site. Votes, flags, vouches, email support. If you don't use them, you're in no position to claim that the system is biased against you.
    - almostgotcaught 1y ago
      I wasn't implying it's biased against me - that would be banal - I'm implying you don't actually care about healthy discourse but keeping up appearances because the only thing you're responding to is my purple language and not all the hate speech. Edit: I'm rate limited > you're not doing your part to help ... I responded to a comment and pointed out a revisionist take. Did you scold that person too or just me? Do you get it now?
      - tomhow 1y ago
        We moderate what we see in the order we see it and it takes time to get to everything. As I said, if you're not doing your part to help, first by observing the guidelines yourself and then by flagging or reporting other comments that breach the guidelines, you're not in a position to complain.
    - arp242 1y ago
      > We don't care about the "side" I'm sorry, but what? A quick look at this person's profile has tons of flagged comments on every page. None of it is pretty. I see rants about pretty much every non-White Christian group. You can't just ignore that. But yeah, almostgotcaught is the one who needs a bollocking because he got a bit testy when the Nazi was goosestepping around ... :-/
      - tomhow 1y ago
        Now I've been able to look into those comments, I agree it's not what we want on HN, and I've acted on more of their comments. If that kind of thing continued we'd ban them. The problem in this thread was that almostgotcaught posted multiple escalatory comments, then when I replied to them asking them to stop, which is just routine moderation here, they continued escalating and making swipes against HN's whole approach to moderation and assuming bad faith on our part, rather than doing what many others do and working constructively with us to help HN function better. They've said elsewhere that they were very upset by the comments and I can understand that. It's a topic that's sensitive and is prone to get people upset. I could have been more considerate of that. It's hard to be considerate when your character is under attack for just doing the job that is expected of you and that you do the same way every day. The biggest takeaway is that HN can't discuss topics like this without them descending into hellish flamewars, which is disappointing.

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Anyone can act as though their position is righteous enough, and their opponent's is pernicious enough, that an exception should be made in their case. But it's only because enough people make an effort to avoid that that HN can continue to exist as a place where people want to come and discuss important topics. If someone else's comment is wrong, respond with an opposing argument. If their comment is inflammatory or in some other way in breach of the guidelines, flag it, and/or report it to us via email. We have several ways of keeping discussion healthy here, but we need everyone to do their part.

almostgotcaught 1y ago
> Anyone can act as though their position is righteous enough, and their opponent's is pernicious enough, that an exception should be made in this case. "Both sides are the same" > If someone else's comment is wrong, respond with an opposing argument. If their comment is inflammatory or in some other way in breach of the guidelines, flag it, and/or report it to us via email. My man - there are well known dog whistles and revisionist accounts of the slave trade in this very comment chain ... And yet the only one that gets flagged is mine. And even so based on what grounds - a flippant remark about Wikipedia being free? Forgive me if I don't take your commitment to "healthy" discourse seriously.
- tomhow 1y ago
  We don't care about the "side". I don't even know what "side" or what central point you're arguing. Our role as moderators is not to adjudicate on arguments, it's to prevent the place from burning to the ground. Your comments have been inflammatory and abusive from the very beginning of your participation in the thread, so of course you're attracting flags. But you're certainly not the only commenter getting flags in the thread. All the feedback mechanisms we offer are here to help you if your intention is to contribute positively to the site. Votes, flags, vouches, email support. If you don't use them, you're in no position to claim that the system is biased against you.
  - almostgotcaught 1y ago
    I wasn't implying it's biased against me - that would be banal - I'm implying you don't actually care about healthy discourse but keeping up appearances because the only thing you're responding to is my purple language and not all the hate speech. Edit: I'm rate limited > you're not doing your part to help ... I responded to a comment and pointed out a revisionist take. Did you scold that person too or just me? Do you get it now?
    - tomhow 1y ago
      We moderate what we see in the order we see it and it takes time to get to everything. As I said, if you're not doing your part to help, first by observing the guidelines yourself and then by flagging or reporting other comments that breach the guidelines, you're not in a position to complain.
  - arp242 1y ago
    > We don't care about the "side" I'm sorry, but what? A quick look at this person's profile has tons of flagged comments on every page. None of it is pretty. I see rants about pretty much every non-White Christian group. You can't just ignore that. But yeah, almostgotcaught is the one who needs a bollocking because he got a bit testy when the Nazi was goosestepping around ... :-/
    - tomhow 1y ago
      Now I've been able to look into those comments, I agree it's not what we want on HN, and I've acted on more of their comments. If that kind of thing continued we'd ban them. The problem in this thread was that almostgotcaught posted multiple escalatory comments, then when I replied to them asking them to stop, which is just routine moderation here, they continued escalating and making swipes against HN's whole approach to moderation and assuming bad faith on our part, rather than doing what many others do and working constructively with us to help HN function better. They've said elsewhere that they were very upset by the comments and I can understand that. It's a topic that's sensitive and is prone to get people upset. I could have been more considerate of that. It's hard to be considerate when your character is under attack for just doing the job that is expected of you and that you do the same way every day. The biggest takeaway is that HN can't discuss topics like this without them descending into hellish flamewars, which is disappointing.