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- almostgotcaught 1y ago[flagged]
- pedalpete 1y agoTechnically correct, but there are 1 million nicer ways to make your point. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- almostgotcaught 1y agoYou're missing that it's a dog whistle - we should not be nice. Look at this person's adjacent comments here.
- Boogie_Man 1y agoSomeone got mad at me today because I said "we beat slavery" was I accidentally dog whistling? It's just how I thought about it. I guess "white people" did beat it but also "white people" were doing it. We kind of beat it as a country is what I meant. Idk my family wasn't even here yet but I'm just happy there isn't slavery.
- SalmonSnarker 1y agoYou are being actively obtuse here, which is understandable if perhaps you're taking almostgotcaught's comments as a direct attack on you. (which it most likely isn't) If you looked at the adjacent comments you would immediately see a combination of "western christian values," and open pondering that "Epstein is an Israeli asset. Democrats and Republicans have loyalty to Israel." This alone is enough dog whistling for at least my neighborhood's dogs to start acting up.
- Boogie_Man 1y agoSorry, It wasn't a rhetorical device, it actually happened to me today. I'm not taking either "side", I thought it might explain something I didn't understand. 100% legitimately.
- SalmonSnarker 1y agoThat's fine, you don't have to apologize to me. To put it into terms that may hit closer to home: Remember Vatican 2? you may have heard about it. pretty big deal, lots of changes in the catholic church, made a whole bunch of news, put the latin mass out to pasture and also pulled back on the doctrine of deicide, ruffled a lot of feathers, etc. There are some people who yearn for the aesthetics and cultural heritage of the latin mass. They miss the funny words in a language they don't speak, the historical continuity of the latin liturgy, etc. For these types, it's purely innocent aesthetic yearning, mostly harmless. There are also some people who both miss the latin mass and feel very strongly about the perfidy of the jews being a theologically important teaching. These anti-semitic sedevacantist types share the same information ecology with all of the more harmless latin mass types. Dog whistles are a tool that can be used to disambiguate between the two types of latin-mass-enjoyers. Fetishizing "western christian values" communicates different things when one of the most prominent far-right groups, the proud boys, makes this a central doctrine. If a latin-mass-enjoyer were to tell me they deeply valued western christian values, before airing their favorite anti-semitic conspiracies, I'm likely to predict they're not into latin mass for purely aesthetic reasons.
- tomhow 1y ago> we should not be nice It's not about being nice, but on Hacker News we operate according to guidelines and norms that have evolved over more than 15 years, which keep discussions focused on substance and prevent it from burning to the ground the way most online communities do. Please do your part to make this place better not worse. The point you made above was a valid and valuable one, but the way you expressed it means its value is lost.
- almostgotcaught 1y ago[flagged]
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- tomhow 1y agoAnyone can act as though their position is righteous enough, and their opponent's is pernicious enough, that an exception should be made in their case. But it's only because enough people make an effort to avoid that that HN can continue to exist as a place where people want to come and discuss important topics. If someone else's comment is wrong, respond with an opposing argument. If their comment is inflammatory or in some other way in breach of the guidelines, flag it, and/or report it to us via email. We have several ways of keeping discussion healthy here, but we need everyone to do their part.
- almostgotcaught 1y ago> Anyone can act as though their position is righteous enough, and their opponent's is pernicious enough, that an exception should be made in this case. "Both sides are the same" > If someone else's comment is wrong, respond with an opposing argument. If their comment is inflammatory or in some other way in breach of the guidelines, flag it, and/or report it to us via email. My man - there are well known dog whistles and revisionist accounts of the slave trade in this very comment chain ... And yet the only one that gets flagged is mine. And even so based on what grounds - a flippant remark about Wikipedia being free? Forgive me if I don't take your commitment to "healthy" discourse seriously.
- user982 1y agoSomeone once tried to make the argument to me that African Americans should feel eternal gratitude toward whites for fighting a war to free them. The fact of the matter is that America is one of the very few countries in history to fight a war to keep slavery.
- typeofhuman 1y ago[flagged]
- scoofy 1y agoThis type of reductionist take is unhelpful no matter who is making it. We can have a bunch of free states, with whites and blacks fighting for abolition as far back as the founding, and a bunch of slave states fighting for slavery. Trying to flatten the situation into one general group vs another cannot explain the complexity of the situation, like the fact that there were black and mixed-race slave owners, or that Delaware fought for the Union Army despite being a slave state.
- ty6853 1y ago[flagged]
- fenomas 1y agoA quote I like from Wynton Marsalis: "with race in America it's never just black against white. It's always black and white against white."
- dpkirchner 1y agoAnd we never actually ended slavery, we just changed the rules on how to enslave people (ie we must imprison them first).
- Dig1t 1y ago[flagged]
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- ChrisClark 1y ago[flagged]
- serf 1y agoSure, whatever. But surely you're not just deaf and blind to the mass allure for those other ~2.5m people a year who decide to come here.
- _carbyau_ 1y agoThe US runs a pretty big cultural show in modern culture. If you can look outside your own country at all, you've heard of the US. But there are plenty of better places to be depending on what you value.
- pezezin 1y agoThe EU gets 4 million immigrants per year, so what is exactly your point?
- inemesitaffia 1y agoThere's still open slave markets in 2025
- tomhow 1y agoWe detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44321374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44321374 and marked it off topic.