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tomhow 1y ago
> jesus christ you people are so thick: > just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not real. This style of commenting is not allowed on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. It's a clear breach of the guidelines that ask us to avoid swipes and name-calling. We've had to ask you several times to correct this kind of conduct here. If it keeps up, we'll have to ban the account.
- almostgotcaught 1y ago
  Lol ban me I'll just make another account (and I know you guys think you have just the best fingerprinting tech but newsflash you do not :)
  - tomhow 1y ago
    Please quit this pointless war. Yes, anyone who is banned can create a new account. That's always been the case and we don't even try to prevent it. We just keep upholding the guidelines regardless. Consider that maybe it's not the big win you think it is, to be one of the few people making an effort to use a website in defiant opposition to its intended use, when it's only a place people want to frequent because others put their efforts into making it function well.
    - almostgotcaught 1y ago
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      - tomhow 1y ago
        > you let comments that are blatant dog whistles stand and you respond to those that break rules of decorum Please include links here so we can all see whether your claims are on solid ground rather than an attempt to deflect from your own conduct.
      - tomhow 1y ago
        Of those comments, one of them would be killed by now if you'd just used the site's functionality as intended and flagged it. Without expertise on the topic (and I am Australian, I don't have deep expertise on these topics, and it doesn't seem like other readers do either), the merit of those comments seem like a question of historical accuracy. If there's a way in which the content of these comments breach the guidelines (and no, the guidelines don't permit people to, say, support fascism or genocide as long as they're polite about it as it's been facetiously put in the past; anything that is unkind or abusive or oppressive to other people is against the guidelines here), you or anyone can explain that in a reply or an email to us. We understand that sometimes comments break the guidelines in ways that aren't obvious at face value (as you put it "dog whistles"), and in these cases people can, point this out in comments or emails to us. Positive contributors to HN do this all the time. Nobody has done that in this case, but you're welcome to do so, now or in any other similar situation. Edit: I was reflecting as I took a walk that this discussion is almost a mirror image of one I had about a week ago with a user who seems to be on the other side of the political spectrum. Like you, their belief was that HN's discourse and moderation is biased against their political persuasion, and that this entitles them to disregard the guidelines and engage in battle against what they perceive as malevolent actors on the site. We've seen this effect forever here: the more strongly someone is focused on a particular ideological issue, the more keenly they notice anything that breaches their sensibilities about that topic. Dang has written about it and cited examples of it many times over the years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... And in this subthread just three months ago, a banned user insisting that there's a “hard liberal-progressive tilt to comments and post flagging”: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 The truth is we don't – and can't moderate in support of any particular ideological agenda. We just don't have time to pore through all the comments and manoeuvre things in a way that pushes things one way or another. All we can do is respond to the bad stuff we see, which we can only do if people use the site's feedback mechanisms to alert us to things that need our intervention.
        almostgotcaught 1y ago
      - bobxmax 1y ago
        Neither of those comments are inaccurate. It's deeply unhelpful to try and discuss something as complicated as slavery if you insist on whitewashing it as a simple, binary case of good and bad.
        almostgotcaught 1y ago
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        bobxmax 1y ago
        > jesus christ you people are so thick: You think this comment was flagged because of sarcasm? lol
        almostgotcaught 1y ago
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        bobxmax 1y ago
        Do you find pleasure in being a random angsty troll deep in day old HN threads lol
        tomhow 1y ago
        Can we all just stop this please? It's already gone on too long, me included.

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> jesus christ you people are so thick: > just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it's not real. This style of commenting is not allowed on Hacker News, no matter what you're replying to. It's a clear breach of the guidelines that ask us to avoid swipes and name-calling. We've had to ask you several times to correct this kind of conduct here. If it keeps up, we'll have to ban the account.

almostgotcaught 1y ago
Lol ban me I'll just make another account (and I know you guys think you have just the best fingerprinting tech but newsflash you do not :)
- tomhow 1y ago
  Please quit this pointless war. Yes, anyone who is banned can create a new account. That's always been the case and we don't even try to prevent it. We just keep upholding the guidelines regardless. Consider that maybe it's not the big win you think it is, to be one of the few people making an effort to use a website in defiant opposition to its intended use, when it's only a place people want to frequent because others put their efforts into making it function well.
  - almostgotcaught 1y ago
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    - tomhow 1y ago
      > you let comments that are blatant dog whistles stand and you respond to those that break rules of decorum Please include links here so we can all see whether your claims are on solid ground rather than an attempt to deflect from your own conduct.
    - tomhow 1y ago
      Of those comments, one of them would be killed by now if you'd just used the site's functionality as intended and flagged it. Without expertise on the topic (and I am Australian, I don't have deep expertise on these topics, and it doesn't seem like other readers do either), the merit of those comments seem like a question of historical accuracy. If there's a way in which the content of these comments breach the guidelines (and no, the guidelines don't permit people to, say, support fascism or genocide as long as they're polite about it as it's been facetiously put in the past; anything that is unkind or abusive or oppressive to other people is against the guidelines here), you or anyone can explain that in a reply or an email to us. We understand that sometimes comments break the guidelines in ways that aren't obvious at face value (as you put it "dog whistles"), and in these cases people can, point this out in comments or emails to us. Positive contributors to HN do this all the time. Nobody has done that in this case, but you're welcome to do so, now or in any other similar situation. Edit: I was reflecting as I took a walk that this discussion is almost a mirror image of one I had about a week ago with a user who seems to be on the other side of the political spectrum. Like you, their belief was that HN's discourse and moderation is biased against their political persuasion, and that this entitles them to disregard the guidelines and engage in battle against what they perceive as malevolent actors on the site. We've seen this effect forever here: the more strongly someone is focused on a particular ideological issue, the more keenly they notice anything that breaches their sensibilities about that topic. Dang has written about it and cited examples of it many times over the years: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26148870 https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=by%3Adang%20notice%20dislike&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... And in this subthread just three months ago, a banned user insisting that there's a “hard liberal-progressive tilt to comments and post flagging”: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43136198 The truth is we don't – and can't moderate in support of any particular ideological agenda. We just don't have time to pore through all the comments and manoeuvre things in a way that pushes things one way or another. All we can do is respond to the bad stuff we see, which we can only do if people use the site's feedback mechanisms to alert us to things that need our intervention.
      - almostgotcaught 1y ago
    - bobxmax 1y ago
      Neither of those comments are inaccurate. It's deeply unhelpful to try and discuss something as complicated as slavery if you insist on whitewashing it as a simple, binary case of good and bad.
      - almostgotcaught 1y ago
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        bobxmax 1y ago
        > jesus christ you people are so thick: You think this comment was flagged because of sarcasm? lol
        almostgotcaught 1y ago
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        bobxmax 1y ago
        Do you find pleasure in being a random angsty troll deep in day old HN threads lol
        tomhow 1y ago
        Can we all just stop this please? It's already gone on too long, me included.