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The narrative that there is a genocide in gaza has lost all credibility. The gazan population has grown since the war started, its completely ludicrous to claim

The narrative that there is a genocide in gaza has lost all credibility. The gazan population has grown since the war started, its completely ludicrous to claim a genocide while the population is literally growing. People have been making claims of genocide since Israel took over in '67, it never made any sense then and it makes even less sense today. People who make such claims should be seen for what they are: charlatans and liars looking to discredit zionists and jews everywhere.

g8oz 1y ago
You are replying to the alleged false narrative with a rather thin Zionist talking point of your own. The legal definition of genocide does not require total population numbers to go down. The deliberate systemic slaughter and use of starvation are enough on their own.
- dlubarov 1y ago
  GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those. There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in Gaza, but aid distribution challenges are hardly evidence of genocidal intent. [1] https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-worsening-humanitarian-crisis/ https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-wo...
  - grafmax 1y ago
    The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout this genocide) - never mind the regular shootings that take place at these stations. Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid [1]. Today there are four GHF stations run by military contractors. The insufficiency of these aid points is also evidenced by the people dying of starvation in this hell hole. Low numbers of people dying from starvation indicates its early stages. It takes a while for people to starve to death. Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. The famine deaths, far from pointing to the absence of famine, indicate we are in the early stages of mass starvation brought on by Israel’s policy. Do not forget that the Israel government created this famine and is blocking all aid except for the aid to can weaponize. And starvation is just one of the many weapons it is using to ethnically cleanse Gaza. [1] https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-ghf-and-weaponization-aid https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-found...
    - dlubarov 1y ago
      It's not a perfect solution, but at least GHF is distributing aid directly to civilians who receive it for free, unlike the old system. > Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid Why are you focused on these particular metrics? Meals or calories distributed per day seems more relevant. > Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. For how long of a period? It was 32 starvations as of 04/01/2024, and another 26 since then. Nothing in the data seems to suggest an impending spike. > the Israel government created this famine There is food insecurity, not a famine. FMR would need to increase by something like 4,000x to meet part of the definition of a famine.
      - grafmax 1y ago
        Starvation shows every sign of worsening under this system. Rather than aiming to resolve mass starvation (manufactured by Israel’s policies in the first place), it should be seen for what it is, part of Israel government’s very consistent policy of paying humanitarian lip service and offering token humanitarian gestures while intensifying genocide. The latest IPC snapshot from May 12 starts that while the entire population is facing acute food insecurity, 470,000 are facing catastrophic levels using the IPC classification. It alerted that under current conditions of military action and blockade a full blown famine under its classification would be occurring now, during the current period (May 11-September) [1]. At the end of May the four GHF stations were opened. However the amount of food supplied could only conceivably feed half of Gaza’s population if distributed equally [2]. Many people are already starving and need much more than 1.5 meals a day; besides, logistically this kind of food distribution is impossible for many reasons not the least of which is the mass destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure by Israel’s military. As of the IPC report, starvation was worst in northern Gaza and in Rafah (in the south). The GHF aid stations are located in the south; in Rafah the military operations have only worsened food scarcity there. It is quite telling that people every day attend these stations despite the horrible killings of civilians by the military contractors running them. That in itself shows the degree of starvation the Gaza people are experiencing. [1] https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/c/1159596/ https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/... [2] https://www.ajc.org/news/humanitarian-aid-in-gaza-whats-really-happening#:~:text=However%2C%20as%20of%20June%202025,mechanism—despite%20vulnerability%20to%20Hamas https://www.ajc.org/news/humanitarian-aid-in-gaza-whats-real...
grafmax 1y ago
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- trustinmenowpls 1y ago
  Politifact is hardly an impartial source. If I have to explain why, there's no reason to even continue this conversation. Additionally, bringing in the "50 beheaded babies" story and calling it the most infamous hoax very clearly shows where you get your news from... and it's not trustworthy sources. That was a strawman hoax that only circulated as a debunked hoax on Jew-hating media, it started as a intentional misunderstanding of a reporter's claim. There never was a claim of 50 beheaded babies. There is no genocide and all your "well supported facts" are either intentionally false statements that aren't facts at all or twisted to support your narrative. The reality is that there has always been more than enough food and water in gaza, war involves death and destruction and doesn't point to genocide which requires both intent and follow through neither of which are present from the Israeli side. Though they are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies both in their daily rhetoric (from the river to the sea, globalize the intifada, Death to Israel, etc) and in their daily attempts to kill as many jews as possible (missiles and rockets targeting civilian population centers, stabbing attacks, bus bombs, RPGs at school buses, RPGs at homes, shooting civilian cars, etc).
  - aziaziazi 1y ago
    > enough food and water in gaza Here’s what I read on Wikipedia: > The water resources of Palestine are de facto fully controlled by Israel […] The airstrikes led to a 95% reduction of water resources […] Gazans were limited to 3 litres per day, litres under the UN emergency limit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_... "The siege of gaza’s water" by CSIS: https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water > genocide which require both intent and follow through […] are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies Hum, there’s many people that have "anti" zionism or Israel ideas but at the same time don’t want death, destruction let alone a genocide. Let’s say someone is anti trump party or anti USA (for good or bad reasons), they doesn’t necessarily are anti Americans (_the people_) and for sure most don’t want a genocide!!! For sure some of them does, but you can’t blame or reject any ideas because some of their members views. Listening calmly the moderate part is always better that pointing out the extremists.

g8oz 1y ago

You are replying to the alleged false narrative with a rather thin Zionist talking point of your own. The legal definition of genocide does not require total population numbers to go down. The deliberate systemic slaughter and use of starvation are enough on their own.

dlubarov 1y ago
GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those. There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in Gaza, but aid distribution challenges are hardly evidence of genocidal intent. [1] https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-worsening-humanitarian-crisis/ https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-wo...
- grafmax 1y ago
  The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout this genocide) - never mind the regular shootings that take place at these stations. Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid [1]. Today there are four GHF stations run by military contractors. The insufficiency of these aid points is also evidenced by the people dying of starvation in this hell hole. Low numbers of people dying from starvation indicates its early stages. It takes a while for people to starve to death. Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. The famine deaths, far from pointing to the absence of famine, indicate we are in the early stages of mass starvation brought on by Israel’s policy. Do not forget that the Israel government created this famine and is blocking all aid except for the aid to can weaponize. And starvation is just one of the many weapons it is using to ethnically cleanse Gaza. [1] https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-ghf-and-weaponization-aid https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-found...
  - dlubarov 1y ago
    It's not a perfect solution, but at least GHF is distributing aid directly to civilians who receive it for free, unlike the old system. > Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid Why are you focused on these particular metrics? Meals or calories distributed per day seems more relevant. > Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. For how long of a period? It was 32 starvations as of 04/01/2024, and another 26 since then. Nothing in the data seems to suggest an impending spike. > the Israel government created this famine There is food insecurity, not a famine. FMR would need to increase by something like 4,000x to meet part of the definition of a famine.
    - grafmax 1y ago
      Starvation shows every sign of worsening under this system. Rather than aiming to resolve mass starvation (manufactured by Israel’s policies in the first place), it should be seen for what it is, part of Israel government’s very consistent policy of paying humanitarian lip service and offering token humanitarian gestures while intensifying genocide. The latest IPC snapshot from May 12 starts that while the entire population is facing acute food insecurity, 470,000 are facing catastrophic levels using the IPC classification. It alerted that under current conditions of military action and blockade a full blown famine under its classification would be occurring now, during the current period (May 11-September) [1]. At the end of May the four GHF stations were opened. However the amount of food supplied could only conceivably feed half of Gaza’s population if distributed equally [2]. Many people are already starving and need much more than 1.5 meals a day; besides, logistically this kind of food distribution is impossible for many reasons not the least of which is the mass destruction of Gaza’s infrastructure by Israel’s military. As of the IPC report, starvation was worst in northern Gaza and in Rafah (in the south). The GHF aid stations are located in the south; in Rafah the military operations have only worsened food scarcity there. It is quite telling that people every day attend these stations despite the horrible killings of civilians by the military contractors running them. That in itself shows the degree of starvation the Gaza people are experiencing. [1] https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/c/1159596/ https://www.ipcinfo.org/ipc-country-analysis/details-map/en/... [2] https://www.ajc.org/news/humanitarian-aid-in-gaza-whats-really-happening#:~:text=However%2C%20as%20of%20June%202025,mechanism—despite%20vulnerability%20to%20Hamas https://www.ajc.org/news/humanitarian-aid-in-gaza-whats-real...

grafmax 1y ago

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trustinmenowpls 1y ago
Politifact is hardly an impartial source. If I have to explain why, there's no reason to even continue this conversation. Additionally, bringing in the "50 beheaded babies" story and calling it the most infamous hoax very clearly shows where you get your news from... and it's not trustworthy sources. That was a strawman hoax that only circulated as a debunked hoax on Jew-hating media, it started as a intentional misunderstanding of a reporter's claim. There never was a claim of 50 beheaded babies. There is no genocide and all your "well supported facts" are either intentionally false statements that aren't facts at all or twisted to support your narrative. The reality is that there has always been more than enough food and water in gaza, war involves death and destruction and doesn't point to genocide which requires both intent and follow through neither of which are present from the Israeli side. Though they are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies both in their daily rhetoric (from the river to the sea, globalize the intifada, Death to Israel, etc) and in their daily attempts to kill as many jews as possible (missiles and rockets targeting civilian population centers, stabbing attacks, bus bombs, RPGs at school buses, RPGs at homes, shooting civilian cars, etc).
- aziaziazi 1y ago
  > enough food and water in gaza Here’s what I read on Wikipedia: > The water resources of Palestine are de facto fully controlled by Israel […] The airstrikes led to a 95% reduction of water resources […] Gazans were limited to 3 litres per day, litres under the UN emergency limit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_... "The siege of gaza’s water" by CSIS: https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water > genocide which require both intent and follow through […] are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies Hum, there’s many people that have "anti" zionism or Israel ideas but at the same time don’t want death, destruction let alone a genocide. Let’s say someone is anti trump party or anti USA (for good or bad reasons), they doesn’t necessarily are anti Americans (_the people_) and for sure most don’t want a genocide!!! For sure some of them does, but you can’t blame or reject any ideas because some of their members views. Listening calmly the moderate part is always better that pointing out the extremists.