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Did the Emancipation Proclamation actual emancipate anybody? The South didn't free them and the proclamation explicitly allowed the Northern states that had sla

Did the Emancipation Proclamation actual emancipate anybody? The South didn't free them and the proclamation explicitly allowed the Northern states that had slavery to continue to have slaves.

bilbo0s 1y ago
Not to put too fine a point on it, but maybe that's why black Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead? Kind of makes sense to me.
- mistrial9 1y ago
  African-Americans in coastal California for the most part do not care about Juneteenth.. African-American politicians do try to get a photo op. A very large majority of low income African-Americans in North and Southern California, do not care about this day, do not mention it, do not do special events for it, do not mark it on any calendar or gather with special clothes on for it. compare and contrast to "Kwanzaa" also source: been there, done that
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > Black Americans in coastal California do not care about Juneteenth.. Some do, some don't. "Black Americans in Coastal California" aren't a homogenous group, and this varies a lot by things like family geographic history, socioeconomic status, and a variety of other factors. Source: Also been there, also done that.
    - bilbo0s 1y ago
      Sorry, what do you guys mean by "been there, done that"? Do you mean that you're slave descended black americans, and, in the case of HN User mistrial9, therefore speak for most of the slave descended black americans in coastal California? Or do you guys mean that you celebrate Juneteenth. Thus, "been there, done that"? The former I would challenge you on, despite obviously not being "black american coastal Californian?". The latter I would never challenge you on as that's your business.
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  - Larrikin 1y ago
    It's a federal holiday now so there eventually will be a tradition around the whole country. Black AF takes place in California and the main character had a huge celebration with his entire extended family before it was even a federal holiday.
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > Black AF takes place in California and the main character had a huge celebration with his entire extended family before it was even a federal holiday. Did you just use the fact that Black characters in fictional media set in California celebrated the holiday to contradict an argument that actual Black people in coastal California do not? I mean, the claim was factually wrong, but that's the worst counterargument imaginable.
      - mistrial9 1y ago
        so I talked to some people at random on the street, because I was bothered by this exchange. There are a range of responses and I think that the responses are very telling. I wont do a detailed writeup here. This one is the one I want to hilite: Two middle aged, very poor African-Americans walking down the street in daylight, the woman with a shopping cart and the man with clean but ordinary clothes. I say in a loud voice from many feet away "Is today a holiday of come kind?" The guy replies facing me "the Post Office is closed, I dont know" .. I said "something is on" .. "yeah" .. I get creative .. "but you have been to Texas right?" and he says in a stage whisper with his hand next to his mouth like he is shielding the statement "its Juneteenth" .. I said "nobody cares about that here, right?" He replies "its a DAY, just a day. that's all it is". This is consistent with what I was referring to.. this man did not want to talk about this, or say the name. After congratulating myself silently because you know "someone was wrong on the Internet" .. I walked a a few blocks and I saw an upright, clean cut African-American man walking, dressed in a way that suggested he was a Church member or off-duty uniform services, also very middle-aged. This man had a clean white t-shirt with an elaborate, dare I say "European logo style" t-shirt that said Juneteenth in some formal typeset way. So I bother to write this long and too-personal reply because "someone on the Internet was wrong" ;-)
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stonemetal12 1y ago
Yes it did. When the Northern army was in Southern territory they would free the local slaves. They would then recruit volunteers into the army. Not sure how many they freed but they did pick up about 200k soldiers that way.

Did the Emancipation Proclamation actual emancipate anybody? The South didn't free them and the proclamation explicitly allowed the Northern states that had slavery to continue to have slaves.

bilbo0s 1y ago

Not to put too fine a point on it, but maybe that's why black Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead? Kind of makes sense to me.

mistrial9 1y ago
African-Americans in coastal California for the most part do not care about Juneteenth.. African-American politicians do try to get a photo op. A very large majority of low income African-Americans in North and Southern California, do not care about this day, do not mention it, do not do special events for it, do not mark it on any calendar or gather with special clothes on for it. compare and contrast to "Kwanzaa" also source: been there, done that
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > Black Americans in coastal California do not care about Juneteenth.. Some do, some don't. "Black Americans in Coastal California" aren't a homogenous group, and this varies a lot by things like family geographic history, socioeconomic status, and a variety of other factors. Source: Also been there, also done that.
  - bilbo0s 1y ago
    Sorry, what do you guys mean by "been there, done that"? Do you mean that you're slave descended black americans, and, in the case of HN User mistrial9, therefore speak for most of the slave descended black americans in coastal California? Or do you guys mean that you celebrate Juneteenth. Thus, "been there, done that"? The former I would challenge you on, despite obviously not being "black american coastal Californian?". The latter I would never challenge you on as that's your business.
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- Larrikin 1y ago
  It's a federal holiday now so there eventually will be a tradition around the whole country. Black AF takes place in California and the main character had a huge celebration with his entire extended family before it was even a federal holiday.
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > Black AF takes place in California and the main character had a huge celebration with his entire extended family before it was even a federal holiday. Did you just use the fact that Black characters in fictional media set in California celebrated the holiday to contradict an argument that actual Black people in coastal California do not? I mean, the claim was factually wrong, but that's the worst counterargument imaginable.
    - mistrial9 1y ago
      so I talked to some people at random on the street, because I was bothered by this exchange. There are a range of responses and I think that the responses are very telling. I wont do a detailed writeup here. This one is the one I want to hilite: Two middle aged, very poor African-Americans walking down the street in daylight, the woman with a shopping cart and the man with clean but ordinary clothes. I say in a loud voice from many feet away "Is today a holiday of come kind?" The guy replies facing me "the Post Office is closed, I dont know" .. I said "something is on" .. "yeah" .. I get creative .. "but you have been to Texas right?" and he says in a stage whisper with his hand next to his mouth like he is shielding the statement "its Juneteenth" .. I said "nobody cares about that here, right?" He replies "its a DAY, just a day. that's all it is". This is consistent with what I was referring to.. this man did not want to talk about this, or say the name. After congratulating myself silently because you know "someone was wrong on the Internet" .. I walked a a few blocks and I saw an upright, clean cut African-American man walking, dressed in a way that suggested he was a Church member or off-duty uniform services, also very middle-aged. This man had a clean white t-shirt with an elaborate, dare I say "European logo style" t-shirt that said Juneteenth in some formal typeset way. So I bother to write this long and too-personal reply because "someone on the Internet was wrong" ;-)
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stonemetal12 1y ago

Yes it did. When the Northern army was in Southern territory they would free the local slaves. They would then recruit volunteers into the army. Not sure how many they freed but they did pick up about 200k soldiers that way.