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Well they've got plenty of time to learn. As far as I know most people consider Emancipation Day the day that the Emancipation Proclamation was signed into law

Well they've got plenty of time to learn. As far as I know most people consider Emancipation Day the day that the Emancipation Proclamation was signed into law in 1863, whereas Juneteenth marks the day 2.5 years later that the last known enslaved people were freed from the people who decided to just not tell them about the law.

ghastmaster 1y ago
This is not true. The last slaves in the United States were set free by the thirteenth amendment in Delaware, IIRC. Emancipation Day could make sense as the last slaves freed by the emancipation proclamation took place on that date. General Order No. 3 - June 19, 1865 Thirteenth Amendment - December 6, 1865 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3#Misconceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3#Misconcept... Text: A common misconception holds that the Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States, or that the General Order No. 3 on June 19, 1865, marked the end of slavery in the United States. In fact, the Thirteenth Amendment, ratified and proclaimed in December 1865, was the article that made slavery illegal in the United States nationwide, not the Emancipation Proclamation.[6][7][8][9] Another common misconception is that it took over two years for news of the Emancipation Proclamation to reach Texas, and that slaves did not know they had already been freed by it. In fact, news of the Proclamation had reached Texas long before 1865, and many slaves knew about Lincoln's order emancipating them, but they had not been freed since the Union army had yet to reach Texas to enforce the Proclamation. Only after the arrival of the Union army and General Order No. 3 was the Proclamation widely enforced in Texas.
- lukas099 1y ago
  In my opinion, we still have slaves in the USA. (In prison, as explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment)
- ryanmcbride 1y ago
  Interesting thanks for the information. Regardless, people have been calling it Juneteenth for over a hundred years, it was made a national holiday as Juneteenth, I'm gonna keep calling it that.
  - ghastmaster 1y ago
    In Texas and maybe celebrated in other places(I haven't done the research) this is true. For a large swath of the United States it was obscure or unknown. Most of us learned about the Emancipation Proclamation though. Making Juneteenth a holiday rather than the Date of the Emancipation Proclamation is odd to me. It is as odd to me as say, celebrating Independence Day on the date the last colony got word of the signing on, hypothetically, July 5th.
- stirfish 1y ago
  >The last slaves in the United States were set free by the thirteenth amendment Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2 Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. You may be surprised to learn that, coincidentally, America has more people in prison than anywhere else.
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- mateo411 1y ago
  The Emancipation Proclamation freed very few slaves. The order did not apply to areas of the Union which still had slaves, nor did it apply to areas of the Confederacy occupied by the Union. Although, it did apply to unoccupied areas of the Confederacy. The government of the Confederacy was unlikely to follow an order issued by the Union during the Civil War. It may have encouraged some slaves in the Confederacy to flee, if they found out about it.
- wileydragonfly 1y ago
  Just stop. Better is better. Let’s celebrate progress and not thump Wikipedia.
ImJamal 1y ago
Did the Emancipation Proclamation actual emancipate anybody? The South didn't free them and the proclamation explicitly allowed the Northern states that had slavery to continue to have slaves.
- bilbo0s 1y ago
  Not to put too fine a point on it, but maybe that's why black Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead? Kind of makes sense to me.
  - mistrial9 1y ago
    African-Americans in coastal California for the most part do not care about Juneteenth.. African-American politicians do try to get a photo op. A very large majority of low income African-Americans in North and Southern California, do not care about this day, do not mention it, do not do special events for it, do not mark it on any calendar or gather with special clothes on for it. compare and contrast to "Kwanzaa" also source: been there, done that
    - dragonwriter 1y ago
      > Black Americans in coastal California do not care about Juneteenth.. Some do, some don't. "Black Americans in Coastal California" aren't a homogenous group, and this varies a lot by things like family geographic history, socioeconomic status, and a variety of other factors. Source: Also been there, also done that.
      - bilbo0s 1y ago
        Sorry, what do you guys mean by "been there, done that"? Do you mean that you're slave descended black americans, and, in the case of HN User mistrial9, therefore speak for most of the slave descended black americans in coastal California? Or do you guys mean that you celebrate Juneteenth. Thus, "been there, done that"? The former I would challenge you on, despite obviously not being "black american coastal Californian?". The latter I would never challenge you on as that's your business.
dragonwriter 1y ago
> Juneteenth marks the day 2.5 years later that the last known enslaved people were freed Nope, just the last in the Confederate States; the last Union chattel slaves (e.g., in Delaware) were freed by operation of law a few months later with the ratification of the 13th Amendment. (And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed under the 13th Amendment.)
- TremendousJudge 1y ago
  >(And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed under the 13th Amendment.) To expand on this, knowingbetter did an in-depth video on this topic[0]. The salient bit is that penal slavery was ended in 1941-1942 by Roosevelt, so that the Japanese couldn't use it as war propaganda against the US. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > the salient bit is that penal slavery was ended in 1941-1942 by Roosevelt, No, convict leasing, one of several manifestations of penal slavery, was (formally) ended by Roosevelt then. Penal slavery continues in the US today, although some states have abolished it recently (though there is litigation in some of those states over it being continued in practice despite the recent formal abolition.)

ghastmaster 1y ago

This is not true. The last slaves in the United States were set free by the thirteenth amendment in Delaware, IIRC. Emancipation Day could make sense as the last slaves freed by the emancipation proclamation took place on that date. General Order No. 3 - June 19, 1865 Thirteenth Amendment - December 6, 1865 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3#Misconceptions https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Order_No._3#Misconcept... Text: A common misconception holds that the Emancipation Proclamation freed all slaves in the United States, or that the General Order No. 3 on June 19, 1865, marked the end of slavery in the United States. In fact, the Thirteenth Amendment, ratified and proclaimed in December 1865, was the article that made slavery illegal in the United States nationwide, not the Emancipation Proclamation.[6][7][8][9] Another common misconception is that it took over two years for news of the Emancipation Proclamation to reach Texas, and that slaves did not know they had already been freed by it. In fact, news of the Proclamation had reached Texas long before 1865, and many slaves knew about Lincoln's order emancipating them, but they had not been freed since the Union army had yet to reach Texas to enforce the Proclamation. Only after the arrival of the Union army and General Order No. 3 was the Proclamation widely enforced in Texas.

lukas099 1y ago
In my opinion, we still have slaves in the USA. (In prison, as explicitly allowed by the 13th Amendment)
ryanmcbride 1y ago
Interesting thanks for the information. Regardless, people have been calling it Juneteenth for over a hundred years, it was made a national holiday as Juneteenth, I'm gonna keep calling it that.
- ghastmaster 1y ago
  In Texas and maybe celebrated in other places(I haven't done the research) this is true. For a large swath of the United States it was obscure or unknown. Most of us learned about the Emancipation Proclamation though. Making Juneteenth a holiday rather than the Date of the Emancipation Proclamation is odd to me. It is as odd to me as say, celebrating Independence Day on the date the last colony got word of the signing on, hypothetically, July 5th.
stirfish 1y ago
>The last slaves in the United States were set free by the thirteenth amendment Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction. Section 2 Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation. You may be surprised to learn that, coincidentally, America has more people in prison than anywhere else.
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mateo411 1y ago
The Emancipation Proclamation freed very few slaves. The order did not apply to areas of the Union which still had slaves, nor did it apply to areas of the Confederacy occupied by the Union. Although, it did apply to unoccupied areas of the Confederacy. The government of the Confederacy was unlikely to follow an order issued by the Union during the Civil War. It may have encouraged some slaves in the Confederacy to flee, if they found out about it.
wileydragonfly 1y ago
Just stop. Better is better. Let’s celebrate progress and not thump Wikipedia.

ImJamal 1y ago

Did the Emancipation Proclamation actual emancipate anybody? The South didn't free them and the proclamation explicitly allowed the Northern states that had slavery to continue to have slaves.

bilbo0s 1y ago
Not to put too fine a point on it, but maybe that's why black Americans celebrate Juneteenth instead? Kind of makes sense to me.
- mistrial9 1y ago
  African-Americans in coastal California for the most part do not care about Juneteenth.. African-American politicians do try to get a photo op. A very large majority of low income African-Americans in North and Southern California, do not care about this day, do not mention it, do not do special events for it, do not mark it on any calendar or gather with special clothes on for it. compare and contrast to "Kwanzaa" also source: been there, done that
  - dragonwriter 1y ago
    > Black Americans in coastal California do not care about Juneteenth.. Some do, some don't. "Black Americans in Coastal California" aren't a homogenous group, and this varies a lot by things like family geographic history, socioeconomic status, and a variety of other factors. Source: Also been there, also done that.
    - bilbo0s 1y ago
      Sorry, what do you guys mean by "been there, done that"? Do you mean that you're slave descended black americans, and, in the case of HN User mistrial9, therefore speak for most of the slave descended black americans in coastal California? Or do you guys mean that you celebrate Juneteenth. Thus, "been there, done that"? The former I would challenge you on, despite obviously not being "black american coastal Californian?". The latter I would never challenge you on as that's your business.

dragonwriter 1y ago

> Juneteenth marks the day 2.5 years later that the last known enslaved people were freed Nope, just the last in the Confederate States; the last Union chattel slaves (e.g., in Delaware) were freed by operation of law a few months later with the ratification of the 13th Amendment. (And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed under the 13th Amendment.)

TremendousJudge 1y ago
>(And that's not even discussing penal slavery allowed under the 13th Amendment.) To expand on this, knowingbetter did an in-depth video on this topic[0]. The salient bit is that penal slavery was ended in 1941-1942 by Roosevelt, so that the Japanese couldn't use it as war propaganda against the US. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4kI2h3iotA
- dragonwriter 1y ago
  > the salient bit is that penal slavery was ended in 1941-1942 by Roosevelt, No, convict leasing, one of several manifestations of penal slavery, was (formally) ended by Roosevelt then. Penal slavery continues in the US today, although some states have abolished it recently (though there is litigation in some of those states over it being continued in practice despite the recent formal abolition.)