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>Should development of AI be nationalized? Should anything be nationalized? Basically never. At most minimal regulation is needed; not ownership. Energy and w

>Should development of AI be nationalized? Should anything be nationalized? Basically never. At most minimal regulation is needed; not ownership. Energy and water work better with competition. Most countries moving toward greater privatization. Healthcare? Even Canada's "public" system is heavily tiered and powered by private big corps. Telecom? Clearly private. Bell, AT&T... nationalization as terrible. Journalism? State media is inevitable propaganda. Military? 100% returns over 5 years of lockheed, nortrop, or boeing. Infrastructure? Roads are built by private contractors. No one has nationalized paving crews and nobody is considering it. We don’t nationalize; government can give $, regulate transparency and liability. >For example, and for starters, the US could push for NATO membership to be amended such that all member states nationalize AI Do you think the republicans/trump will do this?

michaelsbradley 1y ago
Fwiw, I asked ChatGPT (o3) to speculate on the outcome: https://chatgpt.com/share/685451c2-8824-8011-800c-49ecd670826f https://chatgpt.com/share/685451c2-8824-8011-800c-49ecd67082...
- michaelsbradley 1y ago
  Google's Gemini (2.5 Flash) https://g.co/gemini/share/076aa106ceaa https://g.co/gemini/share/076aa106ceaa Microsoft Copilot (model ID unknown) https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/xLcveZhDMankN6rLin2AV https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/xLcveZhDMankN6rLin2AV
JohnFen 1y ago
> Energy and water work better with competition. I haven't seen any real evidence of this, but I've certainly seen where privatizing these things made them worse and more expensive. > Healthcare? At least in the US, having healthcare be a for-profit thing has been utterly disastrous.
- incomingpain 1y ago
  >I haven't seen any real evidence of this, but I've certainly seen where privatizing these things made them worse and more expensive. You phrase this significantly based on what youve seen. In the usa, Duke energy, PGE, Con Edison, and countless new solar and wind setups. For water, yes, still pretty heavily publicly owned. American Water, united utilities, or Suez North America though are exceptions. This doesnt count culligan and similar, it doesnt count private water dispensaries. >At least in the US, having healthcare be a for-profit thing has been utterly disastrous. Big pharma is worth a trillion gdp a year and provides 50% of the world's medicine. 75% of new medicines come from the usa. 90% of bleeding edge medical comes from usa research scientists. If you want the "best" medical help in the world, you go to the usa. What you call "utterly disasterous" is more social or the consequences of 74% of USA being overweight or worse.
  - JohnFen 1y ago
    > You phrase this significantly based on what youve seen. As do we all. > countless new solar and wind setups. I'm speaking about nationalizing existing things, not about new things. > worth a trillion gdp a year What they're worth monetarily isn't really relevant to the discussion. > If you want the "best" medical help in the world, you go to the usa. If you're wealthy, yes. If you're not, the US isn't a great place to get medical care. > What you call "utterly disasterous" What I call "utterly disastrous" is that people die because they can't afford to get adequate health care.

michaelsbradley 1y ago

Fwiw, I asked ChatGPT (o3) to speculate on the outcome: https://chatgpt.com/share/685451c2-8824-8011-800c-49ecd670826f https://chatgpt.com/share/685451c2-8824-8011-800c-49ecd67082...

michaelsbradley 1y ago
Google's Gemini (2.5 Flash) https://g.co/gemini/share/076aa106ceaa https://g.co/gemini/share/076aa106ceaa Microsoft Copilot (model ID unknown) https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/xLcveZhDMankN6rLin2AV https://copilot.microsoft.com/shares/xLcveZhDMankN6rLin2AV

JohnFen 1y ago

> Energy and water work better with competition. I haven't seen any real evidence of this, but I've certainly seen where privatizing these things made them worse and more expensive. > Healthcare? At least in the US, having healthcare be a for-profit thing has been utterly disastrous.

incomingpain 1y ago
>I haven't seen any real evidence of this, but I've certainly seen where privatizing these things made them worse and more expensive. You phrase this significantly based on what youve seen. In the usa, Duke energy, PGE, Con Edison, and countless new solar and wind setups. For water, yes, still pretty heavily publicly owned. American Water, united utilities, or Suez North America though are exceptions. This doesnt count culligan and similar, it doesnt count private water dispensaries. >At least in the US, having healthcare be a for-profit thing has been utterly disastrous. Big pharma is worth a trillion gdp a year and provides 50% of the world's medicine. 75% of new medicines come from the usa. 90% of bleeding edge medical comes from usa research scientists. If you want the "best" medical help in the world, you go to the usa. What you call "utterly disasterous" is more social or the consequences of 74% of USA being overweight or worse.
- JohnFen 1y ago
  > You phrase this significantly based on what youve seen. As do we all. > countless new solar and wind setups. I'm speaking about nationalizing existing things, not about new things. > worth a trillion gdp a year What they're worth monetarily isn't really relevant to the discussion. > If you want the "best" medical help in the world, you go to the usa. If you're wealthy, yes. If you're not, the US isn't a great place to get medical care. > What you call "utterly disasterous" What I call "utterly disastrous" is that people die because they can't afford to get adequate health care.