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Israel government justified its genocide of Gaza with its supposedly targeted strikes of Hamas. This narrative has lost all credibility. And we have seen with G

Israel government justified its genocide of Gaza with its supposedly targeted strikes of Hamas. This narrative has lost all credibility. And we have seen with Gaza what effect “PR” has on stopping the atrocities committed there - none. The Israeli government views non combatants affected as expendable targets with zero value. This is what we are seeing with the strikes on residential areas. It’s not that they are “flattening” Tehran in the initial stages of war, but that Israel military policy so disregards the lives of non combatants that attacks on residential areas are justified in its view. Thus, the notion that the Iranian people are supposed to unite with the Israeli government to overthrow the “common enemy” (the Iranian government) is absurd; the Israeli war machine should be viewed as having zero regard for the Iranian people; they are expendable as long as Israeli military objectives are furthered; that is an established pattern now and that is what is evidenced by the strikes against residential areas considered against the backdrop of the atrocities in Gaza.

trustinmenowpls 1y ago
The narrative that there is a genocide in gaza has lost all credibility. The gazan population has grown since the war started, its completely ludicrous to claim a genocide while the population is literally growing. People have been making claims of genocide since Israel took over in '67, it never made any sense then and it makes even less sense today. People who make such claims should be seen for what they are: charlatans and liars looking to discredit zionists and jews everywhere.
- g8oz 1y ago
  You are replying to the alleged false narrative with a rather thin Zionist talking point of your own. The legal definition of genocide does not require total population numbers to go down. The deliberate systemic slaughter and use of starvation are enough on their own.
  - dlubarov 1y ago
    GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those. There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in Gaza, but aid distribution challenges are hardly evidence of genocidal intent. [1] https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-worsening-humanitarian-crisis/ https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-wo...
    - grafmax 1y ago
      The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout this genocide) - never mind the regular shootings that take place at these stations. Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid [1]. Today there are four GHF stations run by military contractors. The insufficiency of these aid points is also evidenced by the people dying of starvation in this hell hole. Low numbers of people dying from starvation indicates its early stages. It takes a while for people to starve to death. Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. The famine deaths, far from pointing to the absence of famine, indicate we are in the early stages of mass starvation brought on by Israel’s policy. Do not forget that the Israel government created this famine and is blocking all aid except for the aid to can weaponize. And starvation is just one of the many weapons it is using to ethnically cleanse Gaza. [1] https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-ghf-and-weaponization-aid https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-found...
      - dlubarov 1y ago
        It's not a perfect solution, but at least GHF is distributing aid directly to civilians who receive it for free, unlike the old system. > Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid Why are you focused on these particular metrics? Meals or calories distributed per day seems more relevant. > Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. For how long of a period? It was 32 starvations as of 04/01/2024, and another 26 since then. Nothing in the data seems to suggest an impending spike. > the Israel government created this famine There is food insecurity, not a famine. FMR would need to increase by something like 4,000x to meet part of the definition of a famine.
- grafmax 1y ago
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  - trustinmenowpls 1y ago
    Politifact is hardly an impartial source. If I have to explain why, there's no reason to even continue this conversation. Additionally, bringing in the "50 beheaded babies" story and calling it the most infamous hoax very clearly shows where you get your news from... and it's not trustworthy sources. That was a strawman hoax that only circulated as a debunked hoax on Jew-hating media, it started as a intentional misunderstanding of a reporter's claim. There never was a claim of 50 beheaded babies. There is no genocide and all your "well supported facts" are either intentionally false statements that aren't facts at all or twisted to support your narrative. The reality is that there has always been more than enough food and water in gaza, war involves death and destruction and doesn't point to genocide which requires both intent and follow through neither of which are present from the Israeli side. Though they are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies both in their daily rhetoric (from the river to the sea, globalize the intifada, Death to Israel, etc) and in their daily attempts to kill as many jews as possible (missiles and rockets targeting civilian population centers, stabbing attacks, bus bombs, RPGs at school buses, RPGs at homes, shooting civilian cars, etc).
    - aziaziazi 1y ago
      > enough food and water in gaza Here’s what I read on Wikipedia: > The water resources of Palestine are de facto fully controlled by Israel […] The airstrikes led to a 95% reduction of water resources […] Gazans were limited to 3 litres per day, litres under the UN emergency limit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_... "The siege of gaza’s water" by CSIS: https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water > genocide which require both intent and follow through […] are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies Hum, there’s many people that have "anti" zionism or Israel ideas but at the same time don’t want death, destruction let alone a genocide. Let’s say someone is anti trump party or anti USA (for good or bad reasons), they doesn’t necessarily are anti Americans (_the people_) and for sure most don’t want a genocide!!! For sure some of them does, but you can’t blame or reject any ideas because some of their members views. Listening calmly the moderate part is always better that pointing out the extremists.
bawolff 1y ago
> This is what we are seeing with the strikes on residential areas. It’s not that they are “flattening” Tehran in the initial stages of war, but that Israel military policy so disregards the lives of non combatants that attacks on residential areas are justified in its view. The death toll in Iran is not really consistent with that. (At least based on what has been reported so far. Admittedly there is much uncertainty)
- grafmax 1y ago
  The death toll reflects the early stages of war not the choice of targets. And we know that the targets include residential areas.

trustinmenowpls 1y ago

The narrative that there is a genocide in gaza has lost all credibility. The gazan population has grown since the war started, its completely ludicrous to claim a genocide while the population is literally growing. People have been making claims of genocide since Israel took over in '67, it never made any sense then and it makes even less sense today. People who make such claims should be seen for what they are: charlatans and liars looking to discredit zionists and jews everywhere.

g8oz 1y ago
You are replying to the alleged false narrative with a rather thin Zionist talking point of your own. The legal definition of genocide does not require total population numbers to go down. The deliberate systemic slaughter and use of starvation are enough on their own.
- dlubarov 1y ago
  GHF has ramped up to distributing about 3 million meals per day now. Reportedly 58 Gazans have starved during the conflict [1], implying an FMR of something like 0.0005. Any starvation is awful, but it's nothing compared to global averages. There are actual famines (with FMR over 2) in other parts of the world, but few people seem interested in those. There's certainly more work to be done to fix food insecurity in Gaza, but aid distribution challenges are hardly evidence of genocidal intent. [1] https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-worsening-humanitarian-crisis/ https://imemc.org/article/child-dies-of-malnutrition-amid-wo...
  - grafmax 1y ago
    The aid distribution “challenges” are because Israel is blocking all aid except that which comes from the GHF itself. Israel has created the conditions for starvation by destroying agriculture and blocking all aid except for four GHF aid stations. The GHF aid stations weaponize starvation by concentrating Gazans near the Egyptian border and providing a token nod to humanitarian concerns (Israel’s policy throughout this genocide) - never mind the regular shootings that take place at these stations. Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid [1]. Today there are four GHF stations run by military contractors. The insufficiency of these aid points is also evidenced by the people dying of starvation in this hell hole. Low numbers of people dying from starvation indicates its early stages. It takes a while for people to starve to death. Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. The famine deaths, far from pointing to the absence of famine, indicate we are in the early stages of mass starvation brought on by Israel’s policy. Do not forget that the Israel government created this famine and is blocking all aid except for the aid to can weaponize. And starvation is just one of the many weapons it is using to ethnically cleanse Gaza. [1] https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-foundation-ghf-and-weaponization-aid https://www.fcnl.org/updates/2025-06/gaza-humanitarian-found...
    - dlubarov 1y ago
      It's not a perfect solution, but at least GHF is distributing aid directly to civilians who receive it for free, unlike the old system. > Prior to October 2023 there were 400 aid stations in Gaza requiring 500 truckloads of aid Why are you focused on these particular metrics? Meals or calories distributed per day seems more relevant. > Typically a population suffers malnutrition for some period before the death toll rapidly balloons. For how long of a period? It was 32 starvations as of 04/01/2024, and another 26 since then. Nothing in the data seems to suggest an impending spike. > the Israel government created this famine There is food insecurity, not a famine. FMR would need to increase by something like 4,000x to meet part of the definition of a famine.
grafmax 1y ago
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- trustinmenowpls 1y ago
  Politifact is hardly an impartial source. If I have to explain why, there's no reason to even continue this conversation. Additionally, bringing in the "50 beheaded babies" story and calling it the most infamous hoax very clearly shows where you get your news from... and it's not trustworthy sources. That was a strawman hoax that only circulated as a debunked hoax on Jew-hating media, it started as a intentional misunderstanding of a reporter's claim. There never was a claim of 50 beheaded babies. There is no genocide and all your "well supported facts" are either intentionally false statements that aren't facts at all or twisted to support your narrative. The reality is that there has always been more than enough food and water in gaza, war involves death and destruction and doesn't point to genocide which requires both intent and follow through neither of which are present from the Israeli side. Though they are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies both in their daily rhetoric (from the river to the sea, globalize the intifada, Death to Israel, etc) and in their daily attempts to kill as many jews as possible (missiles and rockets targeting civilian population centers, stabbing attacks, bus bombs, RPGs at school buses, RPGs at homes, shooting civilian cars, etc).
  - aziaziazi 1y ago
    > enough food and water in gaza Here’s what I read on Wikipedia: > The water resources of Palestine are de facto fully controlled by Israel […] The airstrikes led to a 95% reduction of water resources […] Gazans were limited to 3 litres per day, litres under the UN emergency limit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_in_Palestine https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_supply_and_sanitation_... "The siege of gaza’s water" by CSIS: https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water https://www.csis.org/analysis/siege-gazas-water > genocide which require both intent and follow through […] are present among anti-zionists and all of Israel's enemies Hum, there’s many people that have "anti" zionism or Israel ideas but at the same time don’t want death, destruction let alone a genocide. Let’s say someone is anti trump party or anti USA (for good or bad reasons), they doesn’t necessarily are anti Americans (_the people_) and for sure most don’t want a genocide!!! For sure some of them does, but you can’t blame or reject any ideas because some of their members views. Listening calmly the moderate part is always better that pointing out the extremists.

bawolff 1y ago

> This is what we are seeing with the strikes on residential areas. It’s not that they are “flattening” Tehran in the initial stages of war, but that Israel military policy so disregards the lives of non combatants that attacks on residential areas are justified in its view. The death toll in Iran is not really consistent with that. (At least based on what has been reported so far. Admittedly there is much uncertainty)

grafmax 1y ago
The death toll reflects the early stages of war not the choice of targets. And we know that the targets include residential areas.