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I've been looking at Linux phone options for a while now. This one is crowd funded, so I'm waiting to see if it actually materializes. Some things that buyers

I've been looking at Linux phone options for a while now. This one is crowd funded, so I'm waiting to see if it actually materializes. Some things that buyers might want to consider: Supply Chain Security - Do you trust the manufacturer? What about their suppliers? What about their government? Pretty much every government in the world has mandated access to mobile phone activities, so choose which government you want to have this access. Spain is part of the EU, so you get the bonus of both their national government, and the EU having full access to your private communications under their rules for doing so.

einpoklum 1y ago
> Do you trust the manufacturer? Difficult, unless they've already manufactured a phone before, that I know very well. And on the other hand, if they're bing and have manufactured things before - some might be good and other bad. e.g. do you trust Samsung or Xiaomi for example? Do you trust Dell or Asus or Lenovo for laptops? No general answer really. Other than the fact that, at the bottom line, capitalist corporations are more committed to generating profit for the owners than benefit for the users/customers, and in that sense trust is inherently limited. > What about their suppliers? How would users know about the suppliers, or know whether suppliers are trustworthy? Also, same point as above.
Maken 1y ago
I trust much more anything and anybody EU-based to protect my privacy than those based in almost any other country. For starters, in Spain communications' privacy is an explicit constitutional right. And at the EU level, while there is no explicit constitution, all the countries are bound by the ECHR and its court on this matter. It's not perfect but it's way better than countries that either have no privacy laws or explicitly request companies to allow unlimited government access to their users' data.
- anonymousiam 1y ago
  Privacy from data collection by companies is one thing, but privacy from government surveillance is another. Why do you suppose France is holding Pavel Durov? https://reclaimthenet.org/telegram-founder-pavel-durov-slams-eu-censorship-digital-services-act https://reclaimthenet.org/telegram-founder-pavel-durov-slams...

einpoklum 1y ago

> Do you trust the manufacturer? Difficult, unless they've already manufactured a phone before, that I know very well. And on the other hand, if they're bing and have manufactured things before - some might be good and other bad. e.g. do you trust Samsung or Xiaomi for example? Do you trust Dell or Asus or Lenovo for laptops? No general answer really. Other than the fact that, at the bottom line, capitalist corporations are more committed to generating profit for the owners than benefit for the users/customers, and in that sense trust is inherently limited. > What about their suppliers? How would users know about the suppliers, or know whether suppliers are trustworthy? Also, same point as above.

Maken 1y ago

I trust much more anything and anybody EU-based to protect my privacy than those based in almost any other country. For starters, in Spain communications' privacy is an explicit constitutional right. And at the EU level, while there is no explicit constitution, all the countries are bound by the ECHR and its court on this matter. It's not perfect but it's way better than countries that either have no privacy laws or explicitly request companies to allow unlimited government access to their users' data.

anonymousiam 1y ago
Privacy from data collection by companies is one thing, but privacy from government surveillance is another. Why do you suppose France is holding Pavel Durov? https://reclaimthenet.org/telegram-founder-pavel-durov-slams-eu-censorship-digital-services-act https://reclaimthenet.org/telegram-founder-pavel-durov-slams...