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I was interested in Zed, but lost all interest when they started integrating "AI". I'm tired of "AI" everywhere. I'll just stick with Neovim until something be
by mort96 1y ago
I was interested in Zed, but lost all interest when they started integrating "AI". I'm tired of "AI" everywhere.
I'll just stick with Neovim until something better comes around. Which probably won't happen until after the "AI" bubble bursts.
- reddalo 1y agoMe too. I don't want AI, and if it's there, I want to be able to completely remove it. Zed is forcing it, so I'm staying on VSCodium.
- nurumaik 1y agoWhat's forcing AI in Zed though? agent.enabled = false and it's gone, no?
- mixmastamyk 1y agoProbably also requires an api key, no? So would be difficult to force. I have a firewall, OpenSnitch, so don’t have to worry much about programs trying to connect. But definitely would prefer they don’t unless directed. How does zed handle it?
- haiku2077 1y agoThere's a pair of config settings to turn off all of the AI features: features.edit_prediction_provider=none agent.enabled=false There's additional config to set if inline assistance is automatic, only when the user presses a key, fully disabled, etc.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoI’d prefer an option at first start perhaps, to turn it on.
- haiku2077 1y agoThat might be how it works, I haven't been through the new user flow in a while.
- oneeyedpigeon 1y agoI went to check out neovim and noticed it's currently sponsored by two AI products! Of course, that's one level removed from actually integrating AI in your product but, still—it's getting harder and harder to avoid altogether.
- mort96 1y agoOh wow, I hadn't noticed that. I guess it's always possible to return to Vim if Neovim starts showing signs of being steered by its sponsors.
- CuriouslyC 1y agoAt this rate you're going to be cooking over a campfire and living in a cave in a few years.
- mort96 1y agoNah, the AI bubble will have popped in a few years and projects will stop sprouting AI features left and right.
- CuriouslyC 1y agoDid the dot com crash cause software to stop integrating internet features?
- mort96 1y agoNo, we still have software with Internet features. But Internet features went from a solution looking for a problem, to just another tool we can reach for when it's actually useful. A whole lot of "AI" features today are in that "solution looking for a problem" category. There's a lot of "AI" in places where it really makes no sense at all. Companies and projects are afraid of missing out on what they think could be the Next Big Thing, instead of just trying to make the best software they can. When the AI bubble bursts, it could end up like Internet features: software gets them when it genuinely makes sense, but they won't be crammed into software which has no need for it. Or it could end up like cryptocurrency: it pretty much just disappears as people realize that they don't really have any use other than to speculate on its value and to buy drugs. Personally, my bet is that they'll end up more like cryptocurrencies. After all, "AI" doesn't just have to be a useful feature to be worth it. It has a real cost. Companies like Microsoft and Apple and Google, as well as the venture capitalists and investment funds behind the likes of Anthropic, are currently sinking VAST amounts of capital into giving "AI" away for free or heavily subsidized. At some point, it'll need to become profitable, and I don't think many people will find that the value outweighs the real, non-subsidized costs. But we'll see.
- aequitas 1y agoI find it very easy to avoid the AI feature in every day Zed usage. Sometimes they do come in handy though. But nog often.
- mort96 1y agoI don't want an editor where I have to avoid the AI features, I want an editor without AI features Just like I want a terminal without AI features, which is why I'm no longer using iTerm2
- calmoo 1y agoI didn't even notice iTerm has AI features? Where?
- mort96 1y agoIt seems like they've since removed it from the core app and put it in a separate plug-in: https://gitlab.com/gnachman/iterm2/-/issues/11470#note_1917647951 https://gitlab.com/gnachman/iterm2/-/issues/11470#note_19176... Anyway, I'm happy with Ghostty since I switched away from iTerm2 and haven't paid attention to iTerm2 development much.
- laserbeam 1y agoZed was the first editor that tempted me into using AI features. It felt solid in general and AI feels mostly like autocomplete in other editors (in terms of how much it's in your face). There's definitely a place for AI models and agents in code editors, and Zed makes me feel like it's not built around them, which is great! Zed feel like "Come to us, we are making a good fast editor that also has AI." while competition feel like "Come to us, we want AI that has an editor".
- mort96 1y agoI'm genuinely happy it works for you. I just don't want AI in my text editor, even if you're happy with it.
- atonse 1y agoI suspect you’ll be an extreme minority. I won’t go near a code editor anymore without AI integrated deeply.
- mort96 1y agoI suspect I'm not the only one experiencing "AI fatigue" as every single piece of software grows more and more useless "AI" features I don't want and which get in the way of doing what I actually want.
- lovedaddy 1y agoYep, I was on mailing list etc. Unsubscribed when they did the AI announcement. Its not for me.
- jajko 1y agoNah, its the quiet majority, and AI posts on places like HN quickly create their own echo chambers with folks patting themselves and each other on their backs. There is AI as a useful tool, maybe, which is at most few % of current hype. Most folks seem to end up babysitting it a lot to get something useful out of it. And then there is everything else which is mostly hype or narrow use cases. To proper typical senior managing a team I don't see much added value. It can help juniors churn out large chunks of the code but I haven't worked in 20 years in a place that values quantity of code and quick deliveries over quality. Also very much depends on the business and specific company. In my banking mega corp, no AI is even allowed to be used even as I write it now, all popular sites are blocked and there are strict policies against. Couldn't care less, coding is such a small part of my work I don't want to lose this creative outlet by delegating it to something I need to triple check for bugs afterwards. Also with any new stuff I learn way more by implementing it myself rather than looking at pre-made code.
- norman784 1y agoI didn't tried Zed in a while, are really intrusive the AI features? Can't it be just disabled with some configuration?
- mort96 1y agoI don't know, I just uninstalled Zed when I read those features got added
- deliriumchn 1y agothey are not intrusive but their entire focus changed on that instead of other features. Entire Git view feels abandoned in half done state yet they spent entire month working on AI chats, AI agents, their own AI edit (that's priced 20 per month yet they boast how light and performant it is -- why isn't it free local model then and why its priced worse than copilot?) They're moving from "making awesome code editor" into yet another "buy our ai" product
- dcow 1y agoWouldn’t the addition of the debugger disprove this slant? Huge feature that has nothing to do with AI.
- deliriumchn 1y agodebugger is very far from being feature-complete, I would call it MVP at the moment; lets see if they will iterate on that or will quickly go back to new shiny thing...
- Vinnl 1y agoAFAIK they added conflict resolution just recently, so it's not like non-AI features such as Git get no attention at all. And of course the debugger now.
- nsonha 1y agoI'm much prefer the VS Code style when you have 2 clear sections: staged and not staged. Zed's chose the IntelliJ style which is just a bunch of checkboxes, I can see it being easier to understand for the novice, but not very intuitive from a git point of view.
- foldr 1y agoThe AI features in Zed are very easy to turn off / ignore. I agree that the AI features are probably taking development time away from other features that might be more useful.
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- mort96 1y agoTo be honest, I'm happy with running neovim in a terminal emulator so I'm not that far away from just wanting tools that "do nothing new". But there have been monumental changes in my time as a programmer that I've liked: language servers have been huge and are an essential part of my programming experience now, as one example. But I think you're under-estimating the value of just being a really good version of something that already exists. There was a potential path where Zed would've been more or less something like VSCode, but actually open source, with less jank, with a smaller footprint and better performance, with excellent out-of-the-box support for a selection of programming languages without needing extensions. That, to me, would have been revolutionary, not because it would've had a list of features that's larger than other offerings, but because it would've done everything better than existing software. Besides, it's not like "AI" is some new thing that nobody has done before. Every single new text editor that's coming out seems to be selling itself as "AI-powered". Zed is now a follower in that crowded space.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoSeparate tools that do one thing well, works better sometimes. E.g. editors often integrate a terminal and file manager. I already have them open constantly, so have never used the integrated versions.
- haiku2077 1y agoI used to use separate of each, but switched to the ones integrated into Zed. being able to click on a file in one and have it open one frame later in the others is very productive for me. e.g. click a link in my test runner's output to a line in a file and immediately jump to that file in the file tree and that line in a buffer.
- mixmastamyk 1y agoHmm, open tab performance hasn't been a concern of mine... since the turn of the century? (cough) Not using electron of course. I suspect a preference here has more to do with how many monitors one has. I have multiple so prefer multiple windows. If away from my desk, having a fullscreen window split makes sense.
- rckt 1y agoI just disabled everything AI related. It's a nice editor. But I still have to jump into VSCode to resolve merge conflicts.
- Nezteb 1y agoRecently the Zed team added some tools to help with merge conflicts: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/4964#issuecomment-2944992102 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/4964#issuecomme...
- rckt 1y agoYeah, but still it's not as comfortable as with VSCode or for example Meld.
- ramon156 1y agoYou can disable AI. Furthermore, Zed Agents are currently my favorite way of using LLM's during programming
- seabass 1y agoIt's trivial to disable it. I wouldn't let that hold you back from using an amazing editor!
- mort96 1y agoI just tried it out again. It seems like you can disable the chat bot integration by adding this to the config: "agent": { "enabled": false } However from the documentation[1] I can't see a way to disable the "AI" predictions button (which asks you to sign in to their online "AI" service with your GitHub account). Am I missing something? [1] https://zed.dev/docs/configuring-zed#edit-predictions https://zed.dev/docs/configuring-zed#edit-predictions
- Nezteb 1y agoRelevant GH issue: https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/6756 https://github.com/zed-industries/zed/issues/6756
- NooneAtAll3 1y agohow does editor neovim connect to debugger in the post?