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> What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel? There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? https://

by petre 1y ago

> What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel? There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incidents-2024 https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incid... Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US? I will definitely avoid travelling to the US due to the Trump Administration's hostility towards immigrants. These screening policies will probably remain in place under the next administration.

hearsathought 1y ago
> There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? There are more chinese in the US than jews. So is DHS going to ban anyone who makes anti-china posts? We have a lot of arabs and palestinians. Why isn't DHS protecting them? Shouldn't DHS check every israeli's social media for anti-palestinian comments? > Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US. What does that have to do with israel and "antisemitism"?
- subjectsigma 1y ago
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  - hearsathought 1y ago
    > Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US, so you don’t need to put antisemitism in scare quotes. That comment was in response to : "Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US." I was asking what trump critics or commies have to do with israel or "antisemitism". > That being said, I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel, and everything to do with Trump trying to steal more power. Right. A policy specifically tailored for israel has nothing to do with israel. The prime minister of israel asked the US government to attack US colleges for "antisemitism" because so many college students were protesting against israel's genocide against palestinians. I'm sure that has nothing to do with israel also. > I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago. What does this even mean? Also, do you think just randomly throwing in the "holocaust" is making an argument? > I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance. What? I asked a simple question of why so many US politicians act like lackeys to israel. And every response so far has been awkward and obvious. Let me guess, you're next door neighbor is a holocaust survivor.
    - subjectsigma 1y ago
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      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Jews still pray prayers written during the Crusades asking for peace in the Middle East Literal thoughts and prayers. I have no horse in this race. But what folks say, whether prayers for peace or death to Israel, shouldn’t matter in a hot war.
        subjectsigma 1y ago
        I was using it as an illustrative example, so the contents of the prayers don’t matter, they could have been praying to see unicorns. Did you read the comment?
  - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
    > Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US Lots of folks are being gunned down. Nobody, particularly not those who claim to represent Jewish interests, gives a fuck.
- petre 1y ago
  > Why isn't DHS protecting them? I'm not sure the DHS is protecting anyone other than the Trump Administration's narratives at this point.
KingMob 1y ago
There are more Jews in Israel than the US, but it's close. Roughly, 6mil to 7mil.
- slg 1y ago
  There are also roughly 100 million Evangelical Christians in the US who are strongly in favor of political support of Israel too. It is a little silly to think the American position on this is exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people who will overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats anyway.
  - jasonfarnon 1y ago
    " exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people " Surely you aren't suggesting political power is just about the numbers? That one group of 6 million people has the same political sway as any other block of 6 million?
    - slg 1y ago
      I wasn't comparing any two blocks of 6m people. I was comparing a specific group of 6m to a specific group of 100m. Do you think the 6m American Jews have more political power than the 100m American Evangelical Christians?
      - throwaway2473 1y ago
        The answer is yes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t... Also https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973 https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973
        slg 1y ago
        I'm unclear on why you think those links answer my question. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews? Do you think there aren't Evangelical leaning PACs or other lobbying groups?

by petre 1y ago

hearsathought 1y ago

> There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? There are more chinese in the US than jews. So is DHS going to ban anyone who makes anti-china posts? We have a lot of arabs and palestinians. Why isn't DHS protecting them? Shouldn't DHS check every israeli's social media for anti-palestinian comments? > Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US. What does that have to do with israel and "antisemitism"?

subjectsigma 1y ago
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- hearsathought 1y ago
  > Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US, so you don’t need to put antisemitism in scare quotes. That comment was in response to : "Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US." I was asking what trump critics or commies have to do with israel or "antisemitism". > That being said, I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel, and everything to do with Trump trying to steal more power. Right. A policy specifically tailored for israel has nothing to do with israel. The prime minister of israel asked the US government to attack US colleges for "antisemitism" because so many college students were protesting against israel's genocide against palestinians. I'm sure that has nothing to do with israel also. > I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago. What does this even mean? Also, do you think just randomly throwing in the "holocaust" is making an argument? > I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance. What? I asked a simple question of why so many US politicians act like lackeys to israel. And every response so far has been awkward and obvious. Let me guess, you're next door neighbor is a holocaust survivor.
  - subjectsigma 1y ago
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    - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
      > Jews still pray prayers written during the Crusades asking for peace in the Middle East Literal thoughts and prayers. I have no horse in this race. But what folks say, whether prayers for peace or death to Israel, shouldn’t matter in a hot war.
      - subjectsigma 1y ago
        I was using it as an illustrative example, so the contents of the prayers don’t matter, they could have been praying to see unicorns. Did you read the comment?
- JumpCrisscross 1y ago
  > Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US Lots of folks are being gunned down. Nobody, particularly not those who claim to represent Jewish interests, gives a fuck.
petre 1y ago
> Why isn't DHS protecting them? I'm not sure the DHS is protecting anyone other than the Trump Administration's narratives at this point.

KingMob 1y ago

There are more Jews in Israel than the US, but it's close. Roughly, 6mil to 7mil.

slg 1y ago
There are also roughly 100 million Evangelical Christians in the US who are strongly in favor of political support of Israel too. It is a little silly to think the American position on this is exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people who will overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats anyway.
- jasonfarnon 1y ago
  " exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people " Surely you aren't suggesting political power is just about the numbers? That one group of 6 million people has the same political sway as any other block of 6 million?
  - slg 1y ago
    I wasn't comparing any two blocks of 6m people. I was comparing a specific group of 6m to a specific group of 100m. Do you think the 6m American Jews have more political power than the 100m American Evangelical Christians?
    - throwaway2473 1y ago
      The answer is yes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t... Also https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973 https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973
      - slg 1y ago
        I'm unclear on why you think those links answer my question. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews? Do you think there aren't Evangelical leaning PACs or other lobbying groups?