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Does the DHS also screen for people who post anti-chinese, anti-russian, anti-canadian, anti-mexican, etc social media posts? Why screen for anti-israel comment

Does the DHS also screen for people who post anti-chinese, anti-russian, anti-canadian, anti-mexican, etc social media posts? Why screen for anti-israel comments only? I'm guessing they are not screening for anti-palestinian or anti-muslim posts. Imagine if DHS said they are going to ban anyone who criticizes china or russia or saudi arabia from traveling to the US? Both the republicans and democratics would be raising hell. Why the silence when it comes to israel? What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel? Why is it that so much of our political class openly and unabashedly act like agents of israel? Doesn't matter who you vote for. Republican or democrat. As soon as they are elected, they all grovel for israel. How many wars are we going to fight for israel? How many american colleges are we going to attack for israel? How many people are we going to censor for israel? Just doesn't make any sense.

petre 1y ago
> What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel? There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incidents-2024 https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incid... Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US? I will definitely avoid travelling to the US due to the Trump Administration's hostility towards immigrants. These screening policies will probably remain in place under the next administration.
- hearsathought 1y ago
  > There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? There are more chinese in the US than jews. So is DHS going to ban anyone who makes anti-china posts? We have a lot of arabs and palestinians. Why isn't DHS protecting them? Shouldn't DHS check every israeli's social media for anti-palestinian comments? > Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US. What does that have to do with israel and "antisemitism"?
  - subjectsigma 1y ago
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    - hearsathought 1y ago
      > Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US, so you don’t need to put antisemitism in scare quotes. That comment was in response to : "Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US." I was asking what trump critics or commies have to do with israel or "antisemitism". > That being said, I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel, and everything to do with Trump trying to steal more power. Right. A policy specifically tailored for israel has nothing to do with israel. The prime minister of israel asked the US government to attack US colleges for "antisemitism" because so many college students were protesting against israel's genocide against palestinians. I'm sure that has nothing to do with israel also. > I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago. What does this even mean? Also, do you think just randomly throwing in the "holocaust" is making an argument? > I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance. What? I asked a simple question of why so many US politicians act like lackeys to israel. And every response so far has been awkward and obvious. Let me guess, you're next door neighbor is a holocaust survivor.
      - subjectsigma 1y ago
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        JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Jews still pray prayers written during the Crusades asking for peace in the Middle East Literal thoughts and prayers. I have no horse in this race. But what folks say, whether prayers for peace or death to Israel, shouldn’t matter in a hot war.
        1y ago
- KingMob 1y ago
  There are more Jews in Israel than the US, but it's close. Roughly, 6mil to 7mil.
  - slg 1y ago
    There are also roughly 100 million Evangelical Christians in the US who are strongly in favor of political support of Israel too. It is a little silly to think the American position on this is exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people who will overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats anyway.
    - jasonfarnon 1y ago
      " exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people " Surely you aren't suggesting political power is just about the numbers? That one group of 6 million people has the same political sway as any other block of 6 million?
      - slg 1y ago
        I wasn't comparing any two blocks of 6m people. I was comparing a specific group of 6m to a specific group of 100m. Do you think the 6m American Jews have more political power than the 100m American Evangelical Christians?
        throwaway2473 1y ago
        The answer is yes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t... Also https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973 https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973
        slg 1y ago
        I'm unclear on why you think those links answer my question. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews? Do you think there aren't Evangelical leaning PACs or other lobbying groups?
nashashmi 1y ago
It is a litmus test: Israel is the most controversial western (not middle eastern) country and if you don’t criticize it, there is a good chance you will not criticize any western nation including the US. You will be easily bullied by the US govt with a tape over your mouth. Or this is the story line that US politicians have bought and unpacked after being hand delivered by AIPAC with a brief case of money plus a set of blackmail love letters waiting to be leaked if they don’t take it. I am convinced that our govt never had spine to stand up for freedom unless Israel/lobbyists were behind it. They quarrel amongst themselves because of Israel and agree in large numbers because of Israel.
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mahirsaid 1y ago
Most likely the very same people that passed it are part of the lobbying of you know who ( i don't want to say the exact names or party). Any future bills in favor of that foreign country will be hard to protest against. petitioning will be heavy criticized for being anti-semitic in nature firstly, which will delay any reverse action to a bill, such as a arms deal package or some aid in war effort such what's happening right now. another way to block none align congress vote or civil pushback.
jampekka 1y ago
> Why is it that so much of our political class openly and unabashedly act like agents of israel? According to Jimmy Carter: "The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations — but not in the United States. For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices. It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians." https://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-carter8dec08-story.html https://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-carter8dec08-story.html Carter was of course widely (and absurdly) slandered as an antisemite. He probably wouldn't get a visa.
- EvgeniyZh 1y ago
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  - const_cast 1y ago
    > Oh yeah, "Jews control the government", such a new trope that has nothing to do with antisemitism. He didn't say that. > know two members of Congress speaking frequently in defense of Palestine This is your evidence? Really? I mean, do you guys hear yourselves? Two members of congress? Out of hundreds? Two members who, might I remind everyone, are constantly accused of being anti-American communists? > Was it almost politically suicidal for them? Yes! These two are treated like the scum of the Earth by 100% of the American right and 80% of the American left! It's not even debatable that the US is absurdly pro-Israel. I don't know what we're even arguing here. Zionists should all agree that Zionism is good, right? So why are we arguing that Zionists are some sort of minority? You should be ecstatic that our government is explicitly Zionist!
    - EvgeniyZh 1y ago
kotaKat 1y ago
Whoa, whoa, whoa! > Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. That's awfully anti-Semitic thinking of you, buddy. ICE HSI would like to know your current location for your free trip to the gulag.
peppers-ghost 1y ago
Israel is a defacto extension of the US. They're a part of us as much as Texas is.
- account42 1y ago
  Just not bound by the US constitution when they spy on American citizens.
ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago
Maybe because Israel is accused of committing blatant crimes against humanity at the moment, and you can't let that potential reality seep into the country. Or its just more anti-freedom (speech) moves by the current administration in an effort to control public perception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide

petre 1y ago

> What Homeland is DHS securing? The US or Israel? There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incidents-2024 https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incid... Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US? I will definitely avoid travelling to the US due to the Trump Administration's hostility towards immigrants. These screening policies will probably remain in place under the next administration.

hearsathought 1y ago
> There are more Jewish people in the US than Israel. I guess this is what they're securing against? There are more chinese in the US than jews. So is DHS going to ban anyone who makes anti-china posts? We have a lot of arabs and palestinians. Why isn't DHS protecting them? Shouldn't DHS check every israeli's social media for anti-palestinian comments? > Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US. What does that have to do with israel and "antisemitism"?
- subjectsigma 1y ago
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  - hearsathought 1y ago
    > Jewish people are literally being gunned down in the streets in the US, so you don’t need to put antisemitism in scare quotes. That comment was in response to : "Or who knows, maybe they ban Trump critics or commies from entering the US." I was asking what trump critics or commies have to do with israel or "antisemitism". > That being said, I don’t think this has anything to do with Israel, and everything to do with Trump trying to steal more power. Right. A policy specifically tailored for israel has nothing to do with israel. The prime minister of israel asked the US government to attack US colleges for "antisemitism" because so many college students were protesting against israel's genocide against palestinians. I'm sure that has nothing to do with israel also. > I’m not Jewish so I can’t speak authoritatively, but the Jews have a very long memory and the Holocaust was only 60-ish years ago. What does this even mean? Also, do you think just randomly throwing in the "holocaust" is making an argument? > I can’t imagine the majority of Jews in the US would support fascist government surveillance. What? I asked a simple question of why so many US politicians act like lackeys to israel. And every response so far has been awkward and obvious. Let me guess, you're next door neighbor is a holocaust survivor.
    - subjectsigma 1y ago
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      - JumpCrisscross 1y ago
        > Jews still pray prayers written during the Crusades asking for peace in the Middle East Literal thoughts and prayers. I have no horse in this race. But what folks say, whether prayers for peace or death to Israel, shouldn’t matter in a hot war.
        1y ago
KingMob 1y ago
There are more Jews in Israel than the US, but it's close. Roughly, 6mil to 7mil.
- slg 1y ago
  There are also roughly 100 million Evangelical Christians in the US who are strongly in favor of political support of Israel too. It is a little silly to think the American position on this is exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people who will overwhelmingly vote for the Democrats anyway.
  - jasonfarnon 1y ago
    " exclusively about wooing the votes of 6 million people " Surely you aren't suggesting political power is just about the numbers? That one group of 6 million people has the same political sway as any other block of 6 million?
    - slg 1y ago
      I wasn't comparing any two blocks of 6m people. I was comparing a specific group of 6m to a specific group of 100m. Do you think the 6m American Jews have more political power than the 100m American Evangelical Christians?
      - throwaway2473 1y ago
        The answer is yes. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5tD https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=74ZA-GdeQP4&pp=0gcJCdgAo7VqN5t... Also https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973 https://x.com/aipac/status/1800947317173784973
        slg 1y ago
        I'm unclear on why you think those links answer my question. Do you think AIPAC refuses money from non-Jews? Do you think there aren't Evangelical leaning PACs or other lobbying groups?

nashashmi 1y ago

It is a litmus test: Israel is the most controversial western (not middle eastern) country and if you don’t criticize it, there is a good chance you will not criticize any western nation including the US. You will be easily bullied by the US govt with a tape over your mouth. Or this is the story line that US politicians have bought and unpacked after being hand delivered by AIPAC with a brief case of money plus a set of blackmail love letters waiting to be leaked if they don’t take it. I am convinced that our govt never had spine to stand up for freedom unless Israel/lobbyists were behind it. They quarrel amongst themselves because of Israel and agree in large numbers because of Israel.

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mahirsaid 1y ago

Most likely the very same people that passed it are part of the lobbying of you know who ( i don't want to say the exact names or party). Any future bills in favor of that foreign country will be hard to protest against. petitioning will be heavy criticized for being anti-semitic in nature firstly, which will delay any reverse action to a bill, such as a arms deal package or some aid in war effort such what's happening right now. another way to block none align congress vote or civil pushback.

jampekka 1y ago

> Why is it that so much of our political class openly and unabashedly act like agents of israel? According to Jimmy Carter: "The many controversial issues concerning Palestine and the path to peace for Israel are intensely debated among Israelis and throughout other nations — but not in the United States. For the last 30 years, I have witnessed and experienced the severe restraints on any free and balanced discussion of the facts. This reluctance to criticize any policies of the Israeli government is because of the extraordinary lobbying efforts of the American-Israel Political Action Committee and the absence of any significant contrary voices. It would be almost politically suicidal for members of Congress to espouse a balanced position between Israel and Palestine, to suggest that Israel comply with international law or to speak in defense of justice or human rights for Palestinians." https://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-carter8dec08-story.html https://www.latimes.com/news/la-oe-carter8dec08-story.html Carter was of course widely (and absurdly) slandered as an antisemite. He probably wouldn't get a visa.

EvgeniyZh 1y ago
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- const_cast 1y ago
  > Oh yeah, "Jews control the government", such a new trope that has nothing to do with antisemitism. He didn't say that. > know two members of Congress speaking frequently in defense of Palestine This is your evidence? Really? I mean, do you guys hear yourselves? Two members of congress? Out of hundreds? Two members who, might I remind everyone, are constantly accused of being anti-American communists? > Was it almost politically suicidal for them? Yes! These two are treated like the scum of the Earth by 100% of the American right and 80% of the American left! It's not even debatable that the US is absurdly pro-Israel. I don't know what we're even arguing here. Zionists should all agree that Zionism is good, right? So why are we arguing that Zionists are some sort of minority? You should be ecstatic that our government is explicitly Zionist!
  - EvgeniyZh 1y ago

kotaKat 1y ago

Whoa, whoa, whoa! > Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. That's awfully anti-Semitic thinking of you, buddy. ICE HSI would like to know your current location for your free trip to the gulag.

peppers-ghost 1y ago

Israel is a defacto extension of the US. They're a part of us as much as Texas is.

account42 1y ago
Just not bound by the US constitution when they spy on American citizens.

ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1y ago

Maybe because Israel is accused of committing blatant crimes against humanity at the moment, and you can't let that potential reality seep into the country. Or its just more anti-freedom (speech) moves by the current administration in an effort to control public perception. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_genocide