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The country of free speech, everyone! You are free to say whatever you like, as long as your words do not contradict Official Party Ideology.

qwe----3 1y ago
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- bigyabai 1y ago
  And a right to bear arms, until you need MANPADs to fight the feds. https://www.twz.com/air/department-of-homeland-security-q-9-reaper-drones-are-orbiting-over-los-angeles https://www.twz.com/air/department-of-homeland-security-q-9-...
- erpellan 1y ago
  Unless you want to cross state lines to get an abortion
  - mlindner 1y ago
    The courts haven't ruled on that yet but interstate commerce clause is pretty explicit about this kind of thing. A state can't criminalize someone going to another state to do something as that is something reserved to the federal government. So no, there is no restriction on going to another state to get an abortion.
    - em-bee 1y ago
      several states are trying to change that. laws are being proposed to ban travel, and although they are being challenged, as you said, the last word on this is not spoken yet. and even if legal, people having an out-of-state abortion are being sued. that alone is a big restriction, because what good is a right if you don't have the means to defend yourself when that right is being challenged.
- nielsbot 1y ago
  What is coming in illegally?
nathanaldensr 1y ago
Some of this goes beyond party. "Anti-semitism" is an AIPAC carve-out and AIPAC owns both parties.
- lcfcjs6 1y ago
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- frollogaston 1y ago
  Reminds me of https://www.germany-visa.org/news/germany-will-include-12-new-questions-related-to-judaism-israel-on-its-citizenship-test/ https://www.germany-visa.org/news/germany-will-include-12-ne...
fallingknife 1y ago
Rights don't apply when you are entering another country. Americans have the right to bear arms too, but good luck with that argument when get caught at the border with weapons.
- nielsbot 1y ago
  Are you ok denying visas to students based on the contents of their social media profiles?
  - Mountain_Skies 1y ago
    >Gays are vile and should not be allowed to exist. Would you be ok with that social media poster being granted entry into the country?
    - vkou 1y ago
      I wouldn't exactly be jumping for joy over it, but that's a juice that's not worth the squeeze.
    - kennywinker 1y ago
      They’d be welcomed with open arms in ~30% of the country. Screening for thought crimes isn’t a slippery slope, it’s a frictionless plane.
    - ilya_m 1y ago
      Do I think it's the best use of taxpayers' dollars (ie, mine) to screen for objectionable content on social media? No. Do I trust the government to police opinions? No, especially when there's no accountability and appeals process. Do I believe the overall benefits that harassment-free international travel brings to this country outweigh the costs of letting in some visitors whose views I disagree with? Yes.
    - frollogaston 1y ago
      Yes
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throw0101c 1y ago
> You are free to say whatever you like, as long as your words do not contradict Official Party Ideology. “There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.” ― Idi Amin
FabHK 1y ago
People in the US are free to say whatever they want. But not everyone can just come to the US, and looking at what they've said is part of deciding whether they can.

qwe----3 1y ago

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bigyabai 1y ago
And a right to bear arms, until you need MANPADs to fight the feds. https://www.twz.com/air/department-of-homeland-security-q-9-reaper-drones-are-orbiting-over-los-angeles https://www.twz.com/air/department-of-homeland-security-q-9-...
erpellan 1y ago
Unless you want to cross state lines to get an abortion
- mlindner 1y ago
  The courts haven't ruled on that yet but interstate commerce clause is pretty explicit about this kind of thing. A state can't criminalize someone going to another state to do something as that is something reserved to the federal government. So no, there is no restriction on going to another state to get an abortion.
  - em-bee 1y ago
    several states are trying to change that. laws are being proposed to ban travel, and although they are being challenged, as you said, the last word on this is not spoken yet. and even if legal, people having an out-of-state abortion are being sued. that alone is a big restriction, because what good is a right if you don't have the means to defend yourself when that right is being challenged.
nielsbot 1y ago
What is coming in illegally?

nathanaldensr 1y ago

Some of this goes beyond party. "Anti-semitism" is an AIPAC carve-out and AIPAC owns both parties.

lcfcjs6 1y ago
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frollogaston 1y ago
Reminds me of https://www.germany-visa.org/news/germany-will-include-12-new-questions-related-to-judaism-israel-on-its-citizenship-test/ https://www.germany-visa.org/news/germany-will-include-12-ne...

fallingknife 1y ago

Rights don't apply when you are entering another country. Americans have the right to bear arms too, but good luck with that argument when get caught at the border with weapons.

nielsbot 1y ago
Are you ok denying visas to students based on the contents of their social media profiles?
- Mountain_Skies 1y ago
  >Gays are vile and should not be allowed to exist. Would you be ok with that social media poster being granted entry into the country?
  - vkou 1y ago
    I wouldn't exactly be jumping for joy over it, but that's a juice that's not worth the squeeze.
  - kennywinker 1y ago
    They’d be welcomed with open arms in ~30% of the country. Screening for thought crimes isn’t a slippery slope, it’s a frictionless plane.
  - ilya_m 1y ago
    Do I think it's the best use of taxpayers' dollars (ie, mine) to screen for objectionable content on social media? No. Do I trust the government to police opinions? No, especially when there's no accountability and appeals process. Do I believe the overall benefits that harassment-free international travel brings to this country outweigh the costs of letting in some visitors whose views I disagree with? Yes.
  - frollogaston 1y ago
    Yes
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throw0101c 1y ago

> You are free to say whatever you like, as long as your words do not contradict Official Party Ideology. “There is freedom of speech, but I cannot guarantee freedom after speech.” ― Idi Amin

FabHK 1y ago

People in the US are free to say whatever they want. But not everyone can just come to the US, and looking at what they've said is part of deciding whether they can.