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> So…ChatGPT can recreate ye olde Dreamweaver templates but with exponentially more resources consumed, and this is a good thing? The ultimate resource is huma

by bko 1y ago

> So…ChatGPT can recreate ye olde Dreamweaver templates but with exponentially more resources consumed, and this is a good thing? The ultimate resource is human time and effort. Why should I care about efficiency of the underlying process. That's captured by the price. So considering an LLM call to this likely a few pennies if that much, and it's saving me even a few seconds, then I would say it's worth it. There's costs to optimizations. We don't need to optimize everything. This is a nice general solution

stego-tech 1y ago
> Why should I care about efficiency of the underlying process. Because, as you just said yourself… > The ultimate resource is human time and effort. This is a disconnect I don’t think most people appreciate. Developers seem to operate as if Moore’s law will continue forever, that components are infinite, that cloud resources appear and disappear at the snap of their fingers, and that optimization is pointless in an era of excess. Meanwhile, the actual engineers are building out new data centers to support these fancy prediction machines, supply chains are exploiting labor abroad for the raw materials necessary to power these guessing boxes, and we’re tearing our hair out at developers casually demanding dozens of CPU cores or terabytes of memory for their newest product specifically because they did no optimizations. Actual humans - millions of them, in and outside of technology fields - are working in concert to support the least optimized software product in human history, just so you can squander water, energy, and land to run inference on a farm of GPUs to output a static website that Microsoft Word could generate in 2003 on a Pentium 4. Jesus christ I am sick of this nonsensical argument that because something is cheap, it is somehow optimized and/or superior.
nullwarp 1y ago
I don't really see where it saves any time. You still have to build the initial template. Then every time you post you go copy and paste that template into ChatGPT? I guess you could write a script that reads your template and body and submits the whole thing to chatgpt API then dumps out the file. But you also have to double check the whole thing again to make sure it didn't mess anything up or change any text? But then all you do is invent a shittier SSG that costs more money and more resources for literally no benefit. Seems dumb
profsummergig 1y ago
I agree. A goal of humanity should be to make energy too cheap to meter. Using AI will help us get there. Every minute OP saves using ChatGPT instead of a text editor, OP can devote to other things that could incrementally get us there.
- chneu 1y ago
  This is willfull ignorance disguised as hopeful. OP isn't going to save the world. Them saving a few minutes isn't going to free them up to discover unlimited energy. This is just excess consumption masked as something else. This is just more excuses to justify laziness. "Its worth it cuz one day I'll solve world hunger."
  - profsummergig 1y ago
    4 billion OPs saving a minute = 4 billion minutes saved. Add it all up = trillions of hours saved. Ergo, plenty more time to work on facilitating energy too cheap to meter. (You won't understand. It's okay. You lack the imagination and mindset necessary to understand.)
    - chneu 1y ago
      More excuses. This is how people justify that SUV or truck when a subcompact works fine. I agree we should save time in some aspects of our lives. But justifying more excess because we think we might one day cure world hunger is asinine. I have the imagination. I just don't agree with using such shallow excuses to justify destroying the world. Its such a lame argument to make and can be used to justify anything. Your thinking is "race to the bottom". Justify everything until we destroy it all. Also please drop the attitude. Its in violation of HN's rules.
      - profsummergig 1y ago
        I'm not going back to a rotary phone to save electricity. Sorry.
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by bko 1y ago

stego-tech 1y ago

> Why should I care about efficiency of the underlying process. Because, as you just said yourself… > The ultimate resource is human time and effort. This is a disconnect I don’t think most people appreciate. Developers seem to operate as if Moore’s law will continue forever, that components are infinite, that cloud resources appear and disappear at the snap of their fingers, and that optimization is pointless in an era of excess. Meanwhile, the actual engineers are building out new data centers to support these fancy prediction machines, supply chains are exploiting labor abroad for the raw materials necessary to power these guessing boxes, and we’re tearing our hair out at developers casually demanding dozens of CPU cores or terabytes of memory for their newest product specifically because they did no optimizations. Actual humans - millions of them, in and outside of technology fields - are working in concert to support the least optimized software product in human history, just so you can squander water, energy, and land to run inference on a farm of GPUs to output a static website that Microsoft Word could generate in 2003 on a Pentium 4. Jesus christ I am sick of this nonsensical argument that because something is cheap, it is somehow optimized and/or superior.

nullwarp 1y ago

I don't really see where it saves any time. You still have to build the initial template. Then every time you post you go copy and paste that template into ChatGPT? I guess you could write a script that reads your template and body and submits the whole thing to chatgpt API then dumps out the file. But you also have to double check the whole thing again to make sure it didn't mess anything up or change any text? But then all you do is invent a shittier SSG that costs more money and more resources for literally no benefit. Seems dumb

profsummergig 1y ago

I agree. A goal of humanity should be to make energy too cheap to meter. Using AI will help us get there. Every minute OP saves using ChatGPT instead of a text editor, OP can devote to other things that could incrementally get us there.

chneu 1y ago
This is willfull ignorance disguised as hopeful. OP isn't going to save the world. Them saving a few minutes isn't going to free them up to discover unlimited energy. This is just excess consumption masked as something else. This is just more excuses to justify laziness. "Its worth it cuz one day I'll solve world hunger."
- profsummergig 1y ago
  4 billion OPs saving a minute = 4 billion minutes saved. Add it all up = trillions of hours saved. Ergo, plenty more time to work on facilitating energy too cheap to meter. (You won't understand. It's okay. You lack the imagination and mindset necessary to understand.)
  - chneu 1y ago
    More excuses. This is how people justify that SUV or truck when a subcompact works fine. I agree we should save time in some aspects of our lives. But justifying more excess because we think we might one day cure world hunger is asinine. I have the imagination. I just don't agree with using such shallow excuses to justify destroying the world. Its such a lame argument to make and can be used to justify anything. Your thinking is "race to the bottom". Justify everything until we destroy it all. Also please drop the attitude. Its in violation of HN's rules.
    - profsummergig 1y ago
      I'm not going back to a rotary phone to save electricity. Sorry.
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