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A. Pinch and zoom on surfaces was invented by Microsoft Research years ago. Almost all of the "technology innovation" claimed by Apple since the Mac has been st

A. Pinch and zoom on surfaces was invented by Microsoft Research years ago. Almost all of the "technology innovation" claimed by Apple since the Mac has been stolen/borrowed from other companies. B. Samsung devices were rounded-rectangle designs WELL before the iPod existed, and the concept of rounded-rectangle iPad-like devices that played video existed back in Stanley Kubrick's 2001. Ei ther should invalidate a "design patent" on such a look -- "black rounded rectangle" is absolutely insane to claim Apple owns!

podperson 14y ago
A. No they didn't. (Samsung didn't even claim this -- they claimed that a multitouch window resize, which is neither as useful nor as intuitive as "pinch to zoom" nor actually zooms anything was "pinch to zoom" ... go watch the video.) B. If it were simply about "rounded rectangles" you'd be right. But it isn't and you're wrong. The letters L and V are not protected, but overlay them and print them on a handbag and you are in deep shit. (And yes, trademarks and design patents are different things but work in much the same way and have been used against each other in lawsuits.)
- SomeCallMeTim 14y ago
  >No they didn't. OK, pinch to zoom was invented even before Microsoft used it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch A big part was the rounded rectangles. Apple claimed it and the jury supported that claim. That's reprehensible garbage, and no legal system should support it. You're revealing yourself as an Apple fanboy; claiming that a rounded rectangle with black borders (that looks identical to previous years-old Samsung products!) is now OWNED by Apple is not sane and rational. The LV logo is distinctive. The shape of the iPad is at least as similar to products before it as the Samsung products that came later. You can't (or SHOULDN'T be able to) take ownership of a public domain design just because you've created a popular product that uses it!

podperson 14y ago

A. No they didn't. (Samsung didn't even claim this -- they claimed that a multitouch window resize, which is neither as useful nor as intuitive as "pinch to zoom" nor actually zooms anything was "pinch to zoom" ... go watch the video.) B. If it were simply about "rounded rectangles" you'd be right. But it isn't and you're wrong. The letters L and V are not protected, but overlay them and print them on a handbag and you are in deep shit. (And yes, trademarks and design patents are different things but work in much the same way and have been used against each other in lawsuits.)

SomeCallMeTim 14y ago
>No they didn't. OK, pinch to zoom was invented even before Microsoft used it. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_PixelSense and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-touch A big part was the rounded rectangles. Apple claimed it and the jury supported that claim. That's reprehensible garbage, and no legal system should support it. You're revealing yourself as an Apple fanboy; claiming that a rounded rectangle with black borders (that looks identical to previous years-old Samsung products!) is now OWNED by Apple is not sane and rational. The LV logo is distinctive. The shape of the iPad is at least as similar to products before it as the Samsung products that came later. You can't (or SHOULDN'T be able to) take ownership of a public domain design just because you've created a popular product that uses it!