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Author seems to conflate features unique to X11 with "useful" features or "desirable by many" features. I would try to project minimally, but the long list he p
by Yizahi 1y ago
Author seems to conflate features unique to X11 with "useful" features or "desirable by many" features. I would try to project minimally, but the long list he provides is not that, at least for some significant number of users, or maybe even for majority (I suspect it is).
While on the other hand he conveniently ignores that a majority of users do need stuff like working HiDpi scaling, multimonitor use with different scalings, general monitor stability in all scenarios (plug and play from laptop, sleep/hibernate, go to 3D gaming and back to desktop etc.) and other stuff used daily by most users. And which is very brittle or even missing in X-11.
For professional use, I can live with Linux without graphical server at all. But for entertainment or creative arts use, monitor "just working per spec" is way more important than those thin client X-11 features inherited from mainframes and mostly unused.
- Gud 1y agoMaybe unused by you, but I and many other hackers use those features. I use FreeBSD and use bhyve to run OpenBSD. I also use FreeBSDs Linuxulator to run Linux software(Spotify, haven’t gotten my games working yet). Without X forwarding this is no longer a possibility. It seems to me a large part of the Linux community don’t understand that many of us want to continue living in a world of options. The commercialisation of Linux has been detrimental to the free software community. It seems to me it’s no longer about hacking, enjoying life, but making money(“professional use”, hehe). End rant
- Yizahi 1y agoI would suspect that hacker/geek user share of Linux users is smaller than all other user categories together. I don't want to belittle any group btw, just counting share. So I suspect that many more people need monitor related features than thin client features. Thus a project supporting (or at least aiming to) the former wins in popularity over the project focused on the latter. Same reason systemd won btw. More people (again, I suspect, I'm not collecting stats, only observing market situation) want features from systemd than people wanting complete transparency and plain text support of the init scripts. I wish good luck to people trying to support X11, but it will be hard for them I guess.
- Gud 1y agoProbably so but you don’t hear hackers arguing for less software choices. “Oh, they’re a minority, who gives a shit about their wishes anyway”. systemd didn’t “win”. It might be the most popular init system for Linux. Feel free to use whatever init system you want. I’m not looking to deprecate it
- Yizahi 1y agoSorry if I was making that impression, I wish both projects good luck and success.