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Couldn’t the DA’s office help “facilitate” identification by having an officer ask the patient to ID themselves, “cite” them for not identifying themselves, all
by kylehotchkiss 1y ago
Couldn’t the DA’s office help “facilitate” identification by having an officer ask the patient to ID themselves, “cite” them for not identifying themselves, allowing a fingerprint read, and then deciding to “not file” or drop the case? This seems like something that’s in the best interest of the patient and the hospital.
- IncreasePosts 1y agoWhat right do police have to ask random people to ID themselves in America?
- buckle8017 1y agoSome states have stop and identify laws. These are unquestionably unconstitutional but that's never fixed because the DA will never pursue charges. Without charges nobody can force the issue because nobody has standing.
- kylehotchkiss 1y agoAhh I’ve seen bodycam videos from these stop and ID states where the suspect refusing to identify becomes an additional charge. Didn’t realize that CA wasn’t one (but TIL!)
- khuey 1y agoCalifornia did have one but it was struct down by the Supreme Court in Kolender v. Lawson.
- anonym29 1y agoThe same right random, unidentified deadbeats ought to have to hoist their unpaid medical bills on the rest of civilized society.
- voidUpdate 1y agoImagine that... other people paying for your medical bills through things like taxes. What a terrible thing that would be!
- ethan_smith 1y agoThis approach would likely be struck down as an unconstitutional pretext search violating the 4th Amendment and HIPAA patient protections.
- tdeck 1y agoMost people don't have fingerprints on file, do they? I've been fingerprinted when I was working in a childcare setting and had to get a background check, but it's not like everyone in the US has been fingerprinted.
- Spooky23 1y agoDisclosing criminal justice data to third parties without a law enforcement purpose is a felony. Likewise, the hospital sharing your protected health information with the police is a civil liability and perhaps a criminal violation for the hospital employee. This is one of the reasons why people are very upset with the Palantir stuff at the federal level, joining IRS and Social Security data with other information. The data is basically all FTI and SS information now (which is secret/protected) and many uses of it are crimes. I consulted on a criminal case years ago where local government people were criminally charged for aggregating child support (Tax data) and police data, and using it inappropriately.
- Newlaptop 1y agoThis is the most horrifyingly dystopian thing I've ever read. Why are you advocating for a police state where sick patients in hospital beds are harassed by police and charged with crimes for existing? I'd rather die a "John Doe" than live in an authoritarian police state where it's a crime to not give ID to police.
- amy214 1y agoi'd rather die standing on my diabetes ridden toes than live kneeling hooked up to insulin with the G-man's finger on the pump
- financetechbro 1y agoKyle. My suggestion - stick to web development. I don’t think public policy ideation is your strong suit. But like others have mentioned, maybe you have the elements for a good dystopian sci-fi novel.