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See: https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/ https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support... It has been almost 20 years

by bsder 1y ago

See: https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/ https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support... It has been almost 20 years and Wayland JUST merged pointer warp support (literally like last week)--which is absolutely fundamental to both CAD and menu systems. So, no, Wayland does not support some very important use cases. If you've had 20 years and can't be better than what you claim you are replacing, what does that say about you as a programmer or organization?

palata 1y ago
Who pays for Wayland? Do you? I don't. It's not like it's Microsoft.
- bsder 1y ago
  Developers are entitled to do whatever they want. However ... In this case, there are some genuine arguments that what the Wayland developers are doing is, at the least, kind of anti-social and quite possibly harmful to the Linux ecosystem. Earlier: https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11 https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11 Note the posting from KiCad: https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/ https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support... This was kicked off because KiCad (and other applications that use X11) wound up with a whole bunch of bug reports because Wayland developers broke mutter which broke XWayland which broke a whole bunch of apps. This wasn't a subtle bug; it made it very clear that RedHat doesn't even do basic application testing inside of XWayland. So, a whole bunch of applications had to field a whole bunch of bug reports that weren't their fault simply because a "Linux" company with lots of money and resources can't be arsed to not cause collateral damage. Consequently, people are starting to ask some really hard questions as to whether the overall Linux community would be better off without Wayland.

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See: https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/ https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support... It has been almost 20 years

by bsder 1y ago

palata 1y ago
Who pays for Wayland? Do you? I don't. It's not like it's Microsoft.
- bsder 1y ago
  Developers are entitled to do whatever they want. However ... In this case, there are some genuine arguments that what the Wayland developers are doing is, at the least, kind of anti-social and quite possibly harmful to the Linux ecosystem. Earlier: https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11 https://flak.tedunangst.com/post/killing-X11 Note the posting from KiCad: https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support/ https://www.kicad.org/blog/2025/06/KiCad-and-Wayland-Support... This was kicked off because KiCad (and other applications that use X11) wound up with a whole bunch of bug reports because Wayland developers broke mutter which broke XWayland which broke a whole bunch of apps. This wasn't a subtle bug; it made it very clear that RedHat doesn't even do basic application testing inside of XWayland. So, a whole bunch of applications had to field a whole bunch of bug reports that weren't their fault simply because a "Linux" company with lots of money and resources can't be arsed to not cause collateral damage. Consequently, people are starting to ask some really hard questions as to whether the overall Linux community would be better off without Wayland.