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I'm not sure why we should be 'fine' with people existing in their pre-1967 borders. I'm not advocating any military action, but the idea that we should just sh

I'm not sure why we should be 'fine' with people existing in their pre-1967 borders. I'm not advocating any military action, but the idea that we should just shrug while a great classical civilization's entire history and archaeology are being held hostage by iconoclastic religious zealots is not something any humanitarian should just shrug at.

lenerdenator 1y ago
It’s a reference to borders that do not include Gaza, the Golan Heights, or the West Bank. It’s likely that any two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine crisis would roughly look like how things were before the Six-Day War. However, I’m getting more at the fact that Iran is unwilling to accept a two-state solution because necessarily, one of those two states would be Israel.
- tguvot 1y ago
  so, gaza is going back to egypt and everybody is locked there behind fence. and west bank is annexed by jordan ? sounds good
  - lenerdenator 1y ago
    Gaza and West Bank as Palestinian territory. That means that Israel would have to retreat to its 1967 borders.
    - tguvot 1y ago
      at 1967 west bank was annexed by jordan and all Palestinians had jordanian citizenship and Gaza strip was part of Egypt, surrounded by barbered wire with military issued permits to enter or exit it. this is what 1967 borders are. feel free to check maps, wiki, etc. There are no palestinian territory on map at 1967 borders
    - dralley 1y ago
      There was no "Palestinian territory" in the 1967 map. Gaza was part of Egypt, the West Bank was part of Jordan. But neither Egypt nor Jordan want anything to do with them now because of the internal instability it would inevitably result in.
      - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
        Regardless of other borders, Israel would retreat back to its 1967 borders. That is what they are saying.
        dralley 1y ago
        They won't. The 1967 borders were broken by a war Israel did not start, but still won anyway. And Palestinians have refused any agreement on where the border should reside since then, which resulted in the current limbo situation. From Israel's perspective, if people wanted to keep the 1967 borders, they shouldn't have tried to invade (again) in 1973. Why would they go back to the terms of an agreement that was already violated.
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- dralley 1y ago
  The 1967 borders don't include Gaza or the West Bank, though? Israel isn't giving up the Golan Heights for basically any reason, and the Druze living there don't really seem to want to be part of any other country either.
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lenerdenator 1y ago

It’s a reference to borders that do not include Gaza, the Golan Heights, or the West Bank. It’s likely that any two-state solution to the Israel-Palestine crisis would roughly look like how things were before the Six-Day War. However, I’m getting more at the fact that Iran is unwilling to accept a two-state solution because necessarily, one of those two states would be Israel.

tguvot 1y ago
so, gaza is going back to egypt and everybody is locked there behind fence. and west bank is annexed by jordan ? sounds good
- lenerdenator 1y ago
  Gaza and West Bank as Palestinian territory. That means that Israel would have to retreat to its 1967 borders.
  - tguvot 1y ago
    at 1967 west bank was annexed by jordan and all Palestinians had jordanian citizenship and Gaza strip was part of Egypt, surrounded by barbered wire with military issued permits to enter or exit it. this is what 1967 borders are. feel free to check maps, wiki, etc. There are no palestinian territory on map at 1967 borders
  - dralley 1y ago
    There was no "Palestinian territory" in the 1967 map. Gaza was part of Egypt, the West Bank was part of Jordan. But neither Egypt nor Jordan want anything to do with them now because of the internal instability it would inevitably result in.
    - lcnPylGDnU4H9OF 1y ago
      Regardless of other borders, Israel would retreat back to its 1967 borders. That is what they are saying.
      - dralley 1y ago
        They won't. The 1967 borders were broken by a war Israel did not start, but still won anyway. And Palestinians have refused any agreement on where the border should reside since then, which resulted in the current limbo situation. From Israel's perspective, if people wanted to keep the 1967 borders, they shouldn't have tried to invade (again) in 1973. Why would they go back to the terms of an agreement that was already violated.
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dralley 1y ago
The 1967 borders don't include Gaza or the West Bank, though? Israel isn't giving up the Golan Heights for basically any reason, and the Druze living there don't really seem to want to be part of any other country either.
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