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Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, mo
by perihelions 1y ago
Meta can also just lie about it. If they were secretly granting backdoor root access to some NSA spooks, like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out, so, there'd be zero actual downside to simply lying.
- wordofx 1y agoMeta does lie. They lie about e2e.
- EGreg 1y agoThey usually just do a mea culpa: Camera: https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/facebook-app-for-ios-caught-accessing-camera-in-background https://www.bitdefender.com/en-us/blog/hotforsecurity/facebo... Audio: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41424016 Conversations: https://www.vice.com/en/article/facebook-said-it-wasnt-listening-to-your-conversations-it-was/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/facebook-said-it-wasnt-liste... Mass surveillance: https://thehill.com/video/facebook-spying-on-users-new-report-details-social-networks-mass-surveillance/9305488/ https://thehill.com/video/facebook-spying-on-users-new-repor... Across the web: https://www.wired.com/story/ways-facebook-tracks-you-limit-it/ https://www.wired.com/story/ways-facebook-tracks-you-limit-i... Beacon: https://www.wired.com/2007/12/facebook-ceo-apologizes-lets-users-turn-off-beacon/ https://www.wired.com/2007/12/facebook-ceo-apologizes-lets-u... Apps: https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analytica-facebook-influence-us-election https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/mar/17/cambridge-analy... People who aren't even on facebook: https://www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17254312/facebook-shadow-profiles-data-collection-non-users-mark-zuckerberg https://www.vox.com/2018/4/20/17254312/facebook-shadow-profi... Others do it too, e.g. Amazon: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone-listening-to-you-on-alexa-a-global-team-reviews-audio?embedded-checkout=true https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-04-10/is-anyone... But Facebook has always been on a whole other level https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-people-first-ever-mark-zuckerberg-harvard https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/apr/17/facebook-...
- bdangubic 1y agoI will never understand how anyone in their right mind can use any product owned by Meta…
- vkou 1y agoEasily. The alternatives are also probably up to the same sketchy shit, so your choices are to be a hermit, or accept that your services will spy on you. If you want to participate in society, you have to either trust a very large list of untrustworthy people... Or acknowledge that they are untrustworthy, and mitigate accordingly. Part of that mitigation is accepting the possibility that if the Mossad want to murder you by blowing up your toaster, nobody's going to stop them.
- bdangubic 1y agodon’t use any alternatives. I have been off social media for years now and my life and health and relationships and career and … have improved so much I cannot put it in words. even if one says “well that’s crazy, I must get my dopamine through an “app” on my phone meta is on another level of insanity to even consider infesting your life and especially your loved one’s life
- vkou 1y agoSure, I can also avoid putting chemicals on my body by washing my hair with apple cider vinegar and baking soda, and I can also churn my own butter by hand, and if mom wants to hear from me, she can cross an international border and drive for five hours, with her travels being logged by countless security and traffic cameras, gas station payment processors, and no less than two governments, so that she can converse with me in person in my RF-shielded, copper-lined[1] Faraday-cage basement. There's social media use and there's social media use. Hacker News, Reddit, Facebook, Instagram, Whatsapp, EMail, and my phone's SMS systems all serve dramatically different purposes, and all of them are a varied mix of pros and cons and risks. --- [1] Any Arcanist worth his salt knows that copper has no name, and thus cannot be turned against you.
- lurk2 1y ago> like Microsoft did with PRISM or AT&T did with 641A, most likely no one would find out People did find out.
- Cyph0n 1y agoOnly because a select few people had the balls to blow the whistle. Imagine if Snowden decided to just do his work and move on? How much longer would it have taken for these facts to be revealed to the public?
- akdev1l 1y agoAlso people found out and nothing happened? So literally no downside to putting a backdoor and lying about it
- solardev 1y agoEven after we found out, nobody cared...
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- BurningFrog 1y agoBut we knew!
- mandmandam 1y agoLots of people cared. Just like lots of people want universal healthcare, a clean environment, an arms embargo on Israel, affordable housing and education, etc. It can hard to believe these are majority views sometimes, but that's what you get when the entire media landscape is owned by like 10 people.
- TiredOfLife 1y agoHe literally did his work. He worked two jobs.
- RajT88 1y agoMeta lies about all kinds of other things. No reason not to now - they seem to have paid very little penalty so far for getting caught.
- mgraczyk 1y agoIs there any evidence Meta has ever intentionally lied about anything? Like do you have any examples?
- udev4096 1y agoCongrats on living under a fucking rock. How can you be so oblivion to such an obvious thing? The question should be, when have they ever not lied?
- usr1106 1y agohttps://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44169115 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44169115
- mgraczyk 1y agoWhere's the lie?
- zzzoom 1y agoDoes web-to-app tracking through localhost on Android that is illegal under GDPR count?
- imchillyb 1y agoIt’s not lying if a corporation strictly follows the dictates of a national security letter.
- chrismorgan 1y ago“They told me to lie” does not make it any less a lie.
- hungmung 1y agoUsually the three letter agencies will send you a National Security Letter. If somebody sends you a NSL you're not allowed to talk about it, which makes it very difficult to even tell if the NSL is legal or not because it's very difficult to retain legal counsel with these kinds of matters, and secret courts don't have a whole lot of accountability either.
- fluidcruft 1y agoI would just assume that usually the three letter agencies have insiders and everything else is just parallel construction theater.
- benced 1y agoYou can go decompose the binary and check (or monitor network activity). WhatsApp has been audited for implementing E2E encryption and consistently passed.
- boudin 1y agoE2E encryption does not protect against any of this. Whatsapp can still decrypt messages locally and feed back information to meta.
- closewith 1y agoTBF, no-one's as-yet found a Meta binary doing this.
- fcpk 1y agoyou mean things like having a localhost server running on android service to bypass tracking restrictions and run all of your stuff illegally?
- closewith 1y agoWell, yes, they have been found to bypass tracking restrictions, most recently using Local Mess (https://localmess.github.io/ https://localmess.github.io/), but they haven't been found exfiltrating WhatsApp private keys or messages in plaintext. And people are looking for this specifically.
- llm_nerd 1y agoPalantir, Meta and OpenAI just had executives commissioned as lieutenant colonels in the US armed forces. They are defacto extensions of the US government now. It is rather shocking seeing how rapidly the US is shifting from all of its historic norms. Trump sees the US as a "store" where he dictates the terms, he directly has control over US Steel after the Nippon Steel "takeover" -- straight out of the communist central control dictums -- and now US major corporations are embedded in the US military. It is insane. This is stuff people accused China of for time eternal but apparently it was taken as a good lesson to learn from. But absolutely no one outside the US -- whether enemies or allies -- should trust anything from US corporations now. The country has fallen.
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- sneak 1y agoIt’s not secret anymore, it’s FAA702 (aka PRISM), and you can bet they are complying with FISA orders.
- halJordan 1y agoExcept we dont live in a stasi regime. What the nsa/fbi/cia can get a subpoena for from the courts is well documented in law. So there is no question that meta does provide individual messages. You guys have got to quit living in this fantasy land of big bad g-men just because you like feeling the flutter in your stomach