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Also webp support in browsers is looking pretty good these days: https://caniuse.com/webp https://caniuse.com/webp The last major browser to add support was Sa

by Sammi 1y ago

Also webp support in browsers is looking pretty good these days: https://caniuse.com/webp https://caniuse.com/webp The last major browser to add support was Safari 16 and that was released on September 12, 2022. I see pretty much no one on browsers older than Safari 16.4 in metrics on websites I run.

turnsout 1y ago
Yeah, after seeing the logs I made the switch to webp earlier this year. As much as I hate to admit it (not a fan of Google), it’s a pretty big bandwidth savings for the same (or better) quality.
- hombre_fatal 1y ago
  I switched to webp on my forum for avatars and other user image uploads. With one format you get decent filesize, transparency, and animation which makes things much simpler than doing things like conditionally producing gifs vs jpegs.
userbinator 1y ago
People want to use images outside of browsers too.
- prmoustache 1y ago
  What apps are you using in 2025 that handle images but doesn't support webp? I can't think of any on my Fedora desktop for instance.
  - jcynix 1y ago
    Luminar Neo, for example, doesn't handle webp. And there's more than just Fedora, IIRC.
  - wongarsu 1y ago
    Lots of websites that expect me to upload images only accept jpeg and png. Another one I recently interacted with are video backgrounds for zoom. Those apparently can only be jpeg, not even png
out_of_protocol 1y ago
.. or you can go directly to avif - https://caniuse.com/avif https://caniuse.com/avif (93%) instead of webp (95% support).
- Sammi 1y ago
  I'd love to see a comparison of the computational expense of avif compared to webp. I know av1, which avif is based off, is pretty hard on the hardware.
  - out_of_protocol 1y ago
    https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front See various charts. For example, this table: https://res.cloudinary.com/cloudinary-marketing/images/f_auto,q_auto/v1709249796/Web_Assets/blog/Screen-Shot-2024-02-29-at-3.35.25-PM/Screen-Shot-2024-02-29-at-3-35-25-PM-png?_i=AA https://res.cloudinary.com/cloudinary-marketing/images/f_aut... For decoding, Webp - ~70Mpx/s, jpeg - 100 to 300 Mpx/s Jpeg xl - 115 to 163 Avif (single thread) - 32 to 37 Avif (multithread) - 90 to 110

by Sammi 1y ago

turnsout 1y ago

Yeah, after seeing the logs I made the switch to webp earlier this year. As much as I hate to admit it (not a fan of Google), it’s a pretty big bandwidth savings for the same (or better) quality.

hombre_fatal 1y ago
I switched to webp on my forum for avatars and other user image uploads. With one format you get decent filesize, transparency, and animation which makes things much simpler than doing things like conditionally producing gifs vs jpegs.

userbinator 1y ago

People want to use images outside of browsers too.

prmoustache 1y ago
What apps are you using in 2025 that handle images but doesn't support webp? I can't think of any on my Fedora desktop for instance.
- jcynix 1y ago
  Luminar Neo, for example, doesn't handle webp. And there's more than just Fedora, IIRC.
- wongarsu 1y ago
  Lots of websites that expect me to upload images only accept jpeg and png. Another one I recently interacted with are video backgrounds for zoom. Those apparently can only be jpeg, not even png

out_of_protocol 1y ago

.. or you can go directly to avif - https://caniuse.com/avif https://caniuse.com/avif (93%) instead of webp (95% support).

Sammi 1y ago
I'd love to see a comparison of the computational expense of avif compared to webp. I know av1, which avif is based off, is pretty hard on the hardware.
- out_of_protocol 1y ago
  https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front https://cloudinary.com/blog/jpeg-xl-and-the-pareto-front See various charts. For example, this table: https://res.cloudinary.com/cloudinary-marketing/images/f_auto,q_auto/v1709249796/Web_Assets/blog/Screen-Shot-2024-02-29-at-3.35.25-PM/Screen-Shot-2024-02-29-at-3-35-25-PM-png?_i=AA https://res.cloudinary.com/cloudinary-marketing/images/f_aut... For decoding, Webp - ~70Mpx/s, jpeg - 100 to 300 Mpx/s Jpeg xl - 115 to 163 Avif (single thread) - 32 to 37 Avif (multithread) - 90 to 110