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can people stop bringing up this thought terminating cliche every five minutes, it's like the HN version of that quip about Rudy Guliani, "everything he says is

can people stop bringing up this thought terminating cliche every five minutes, it's like the HN version of that quip about Rudy Guliani, "everything he says is a verb a noun and 9/11." Any open protocol will always be subject to competition, that's the point of it being open. If someone adopts that protocol and supercedes it because they add stuff that people want, that's how it goes. If people don't want that to happen, they need to stay on their toes and extend protocols quickly driven by user demand. That's really why a lot of protocol based ecosystems get absorbed, they stagnate.

bix6 1y ago
It’s not a cliche if it’s the truth homie. We all know Meta’s intentions.
- jdenning 1y ago
  This ^. Gravity isn't a cliche, it's just how the world works.
  - Barrin92 1y ago
    but you don't blame gravity when someone pushes you off your bike. The point isn't that it's not real, it is that you decided the rules of the game when you built a protocol. It's like publishing something under a permissive license and then complaining if someone clones your code and does something with it you don't like. if you didn't want it, you should have built a proprietary platform. If you create something under conditions that by definition must be robust enough to repel adversial use and it doesn't, what's the point in blaming the bad actor
    - jdenning 1y ago
      That's fair, and I'm not "blaming" meta for anything here. They're well within their rights to EEE ActivityPub, but I think it's naive to complain about people calling it out. This new is only really relevant to people who care about Fediverse content, and I see two potential responses from that group: 1) Yay! That's great that meta is helping popularize Fediverse! 2) It's a trap. I'm in camp (2) - just trying to show people the trap before they step in it. It doesn't matter anyway, these kind of warnings have never, ever worked. Just let the old man shake his fist at the clouds FFS :) Where else am I supposed to do it? Threads?
username223 1y ago
They're welcome to try. RSS is still going strong, and I use it daily. Spotify and ClearChannel are trying to kill it for podcasts, and that seems to be failing. ActivityPub in the form of Mastodon will probably never be as big as Twitter was, or as Threads could become if Facebook pushes it hard enough, but I'm fine with that. That's not really a place I would like to hang out, and I like my Masto instance.

bix6 1y ago

It’s not a cliche if it’s the truth homie. We all know Meta’s intentions.

jdenning 1y ago
This ^. Gravity isn't a cliche, it's just how the world works.
- Barrin92 1y ago
  but you don't blame gravity when someone pushes you off your bike. The point isn't that it's not real, it is that you decided the rules of the game when you built a protocol. It's like publishing something under a permissive license and then complaining if someone clones your code and does something with it you don't like. if you didn't want it, you should have built a proprietary platform. If you create something under conditions that by definition must be robust enough to repel adversial use and it doesn't, what's the point in blaming the bad actor
  - jdenning 1y ago
    That's fair, and I'm not "blaming" meta for anything here. They're well within their rights to EEE ActivityPub, but I think it's naive to complain about people calling it out. This new is only really relevant to people who care about Fediverse content, and I see two potential responses from that group: 1) Yay! That's great that meta is helping popularize Fediverse! 2) It's a trap. I'm in camp (2) - just trying to show people the trap before they step in it. It doesn't matter anyway, these kind of warnings have never, ever worked. Just let the old man shake his fist at the clouds FFS :) Where else am I supposed to do it? Threads?

username223 1y ago

They're welcome to try. RSS is still going strong, and I use it daily. Spotify and ClearChannel are trying to kill it for podcasts, and that seems to be failing. ActivityPub in the form of Mastodon will probably never be as big as Twitter was, or as Threads could become if Facebook pushes it hard enough, but I'm fine with that. That's not really a place I would like to hang out, and I like my Masto instance.