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Sure. I'm also familiar with positive reinforcement. If/when they start touching the reverse-chronological feed with algorithms I'll call it out. Until that t

Sure. I'm also familiar with positive reinforcement. If/when they start touching the reverse-chronological feed with algorithms I'll call it out. Until that time, I'm happy that it's a non-algorithmic feed and will say so. (It's also not clear to me what "extinguish" would look like here. If Threads starts messing with the feed, just go view it anywhere else you view you fediverse feeds)

foogazi 1y ago
> I'll call it out What’s the point if the algorithm buries it
jdenning 1y ago
Extinguish comes after extend -- eg, the goal is to make their client the preferred client for fediverse feeds for a large number of people by adding some kind of feature that they can prevent fediverse projects from also adding. Then extinguish. (Edit) Examples: - Google and RSS - Slack and IRC - Google (chrome) and web standards - Apple (iMessage) and SMS
- qualeed 1y ago
  What type of feature, and how would they prevent other projects? I'm happy that there's a non-algorithmic feed in a Meta app. I think that's good for society. I'm not focused on how this means Meta will be the fediverse overlord in the future, once they release some fediverse-killing feature. When that time comes, I'll be sure to rally against it.
  - jdenning 1y ago
    I'm quite sure they'll think of something. I don't think most people could have predicted that apple using an "ugly" color to represent non-iOS messages would have such a strong effect. But apple knew, and they were right. Edit: To be fair - "extinguish" is not entirely accurate..RSS, IRC, etc still exist - they're just ghost towns.
    - irelephant 1y ago
      RSS is far from a ghost town. Almost everything supports it still, its just not used by many people.
  - jdenning 1y ago
    It just occurred to me - post your fediverse content via thread and get preferred placement in the "neutral" feed. Boom.
    - qualeed 1y ago
      Okay, if they do that, I'll be sure to say "that sucks". Until then, I'll be happy that millions of people can get non-algoirthmic feeds.
bix6 1y ago
How is this positive reinforcement? It’s fostering threads lock in. I don’t really understand why you’re so excited about getting something you already get but now packaged by a monopoly platform? Extinguish here means they start siphoning users off the fediverse. We’ve seen this many times before.
- qualeed 1y ago
  >How is this positive reinforcement They are doing what I think is a good thing so I said "good". >you’re so excited I'm not "so excited". I'm offering a not negative opinion. Weird, on an HN topic about Meta, I understand. Having a non-algorithmic feed in a Meta app is good. When Meta overtakes the fediverse or whatever because of it, somehow, let's chat again.
  - bix6 1y ago
    !remindme 3 years

foogazi 1y ago

> I'll call it out What’s the point if the algorithm buries it

jdenning 1y ago

Extinguish comes after extend -- eg, the goal is to make their client the preferred client for fediverse feeds for a large number of people by adding some kind of feature that they can prevent fediverse projects from also adding. Then extinguish. (Edit) Examples: - Google and RSS - Slack and IRC - Google (chrome) and web standards - Apple (iMessage) and SMS

qualeed 1y ago
What type of feature, and how would they prevent other projects? I'm happy that there's a non-algorithmic feed in a Meta app. I think that's good for society. I'm not focused on how this means Meta will be the fediverse overlord in the future, once they release some fediverse-killing feature. When that time comes, I'll be sure to rally against it.
- jdenning 1y ago
  I'm quite sure they'll think of something. I don't think most people could have predicted that apple using an "ugly" color to represent non-iOS messages would have such a strong effect. But apple knew, and they were right. Edit: To be fair - "extinguish" is not entirely accurate..RSS, IRC, etc still exist - they're just ghost towns.
  - irelephant 1y ago
    RSS is far from a ghost town. Almost everything supports it still, its just not used by many people.
- jdenning 1y ago
  It just occurred to me - post your fediverse content via thread and get preferred placement in the "neutral" feed. Boom.
  - qualeed 1y ago
    Okay, if they do that, I'll be sure to say "that sucks". Until then, I'll be happy that millions of people can get non-algoirthmic feeds.

bix6 1y ago

How is this positive reinforcement? It’s fostering threads lock in. I don’t really understand why you’re so excited about getting something you already get but now packaged by a monopoly platform? Extinguish here means they start siphoning users off the fediverse. We’ve seen this many times before.

qualeed 1y ago
>How is this positive reinforcement They are doing what I think is a good thing so I said "good". >you’re so excited I'm not "so excited". I'm offering a not negative opinion. Weird, on an HN topic about Meta, I understand. Having a non-algorithmic feed in a Meta app is good. When Meta overtakes the fediverse or whatever because of it, somehow, let's chat again.
- bix6 1y ago
  !remindme 3 years